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post #1 of 103 Old 05-29-2012, 11:24 AM Thread Starter
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Owners with no clue. rantish

I know as trainers, we come across this a lot, but it never gets any less frustrating.
I have a friend whom I've been working for since she moved down to fl. She bought a pair of unbroke mustangs, and wanted to break them and bronc them out herself. She's never had a formal lesson, hadn't ridden in two years, and these are her first horses. Once a week, I'd come out and give her a lesson on starting her 8 year old mare THE RIGHT WAY. She would try these things while I was there, complain the whole time its not working, then do it "her way" when I wasn't there. What she got is a horse that did what it was asked when it felt like it, and got away with hell and cookies. She got the horse "hand broke" (I don't call pawing on the lead or running over the crossties, or ME for that matter any kind of "broke")and continued to saddle break her which went well. She asked me to bronc her out (after breakig her tailbone trying) which I did. I put three rides on this mare, and she would have made a nice gaming pony. But she can't be lunged, since my friend gave up when the horse tried to escape the roundpen. she can't be worned, as she took 2 inches of flesh out of my friends arm last time. She can't work with a farrier (I do barefoot trimming and tried working on her and got a hoof to the thigh attempting to just snip off hangerson.) And she can't be bathed. The hose is surely going to eat her. What's worse, shortly after I put those rides on her, this girl moved her to a SIX ACRE pasture. Its been four months since the girl could touch the horse. Every time I make time to work with her, she cancels. The horse won't even come to her for food, lashes out when she tries to halter her, and will stir the other horses into a frenzy when you push her.
What's even worse than that, she now trying to sell the horse! She says she has two weeks to sell this mare before it becomes my problem. And she's my friend, but I don't want my name anywhere near this horse for what she's advertising. She's advertising a horse who stands tied for groomin, bathing etc, who can long line, be saddled, and who's been broke walk/trot. She's advertising a sweet horse that needs a consistent soft hand. On top of this, wth the way the market is down here, she'll never get what she's asking. I want to look for someone who will love the horse for what she is and make her into something. Not for a lawsuit for selling a dangerous animal. I'm just stuck. I've told my friend the honest truth, but she doesn't want to hear it. I'm at a loss as to what to do for this owner, but I don't want this horse on my hands!!
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post #2 of 103 Old 05-29-2012, 11:45 AM
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Stand your ground. Do NOT take the horse. Stop trying to help her with the horse. Have nothing more to do with this person when it comes to horses. Be her friend on a friend basis. Let her clean up her own problem. You should be fairly safe legally, since it has been two months since the horse has been messed with. Even if this costs you a friendship, you should wash your hands of this matter.
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post #3 of 103 Old 05-29-2012, 11:59 AM
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how does this horse become your problem? i think i missed something...
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I agree with Lady. Let her deal with it, she got herself into it, you warned her and tried to help her now she has to fix her own problems. Tell her you're done with her horse and until she's ready to listen to you, a trained professional and give up her ideas of how to train a horse up.

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Until she's willing to commit to 6 months of training (on your property so you can supervise or with another trainer), tell her you won't have any part of it. She made the mess, let her clean it up.

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Tell her to sign the horse over to you if it is to become YOUR problem. Dart, drug or otherwise chemically restrain it for some farrier work, and a trailer ride. Then start doing what you know how to do when you get it home.
Or while it's down with a dart euthanize it.

Friends do not take advantage of friends this way. If your name is attached to the eventual sale of this animal, in this shape, it could get ugly since you are a trainer....
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I wouldn't touch this horse with a laser pointer again, if it were me.
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The horse becomes my problem when she leaves to move back to mass next week. She's leaving both her horses here (she's got a just turned two year old colt that she already broke w/t/c and his knees aren't even developed yet. Besides that, there's no way this girl should be riding anything under 14 h) she's already told her BO and family that I would be tying up her lose ends in sfl.
I really don't want to put the horse down. She does have some potential and could be brought around with the correct training. She's just currently dangerous. I think what I may end up doing is waiting til she has to go, then doing what I need to do sell the horse. I don't want it on my hands, and I don't plan on training for her in the future.
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She wants you to tie up loose ends?!

How about she pays YOU for the trouble, and call it even. Then you can do whatever you want with the horses.. because honestly you're being taken for granted, used... manipulated.

That's not okay.

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post #10 of 103 Old 05-30-2012, 08:48 AM
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Dont you just hate ignorance from some people uugh. Okay first off she leaves the state without either of the horses and doesnt sign any kind of contract or pays you for services in most states will concider this abandonment of property. if they are on your property then they become yours now either you can bill your friend for any costs rendered ( Training, feeding, sale agent ) or sell the horses and keep the money. The poor horses. I feel bad for them in this case because that idiot didnt give them a good start and lessen the chances of finding a good home. I hope that you can fix this for the horses sake and get them safe good homes. Good Luck Be safe.

PS Friends and Family are always the first to screw you over.
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