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post #21 of 57 Old 04-27-2013, 11:24 PM
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THR, you just gave me the answer to something that's been perplexing me about Aires for quite a while! Thank you!!
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THR, you just gave me the answer to something that's been perplexing me about Aires for quite a while! Thank you!!
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Oh, glad I could help! Somewhere I had information about what teeth they lose at what age. And now I don't know where I read it.....if it was online or in a book I have here at home. So I am going to have to find that info again because I want to keep track of the teeth myself, so I know when to expect him to have tooth issues.

Before I rode and realized what happened with his teeth, I had noticed he was rolling his tongue around in his mouth on occasion....like he got food stuck in his teeth. But I didn't put two and two together until yesterday!

What has Aires been doing with his mouth/teeth?
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He has just been a butt to work with in the bit. He takes it very willingly, but does everything he can to ignore it when we're working. Put him in a hackamore (we use a little S) and he's happy as a clam and remembers all his training. I've had my trainer friend look at his teeth (and I have, as well) and there aren't any points or anything that would bother him (can't even find his wolf teeth).
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He has just been a butt to work with in the bit. He takes it very willingly, but does everything he can to ignore it when we're working. Put him in a hackamore (we use a little S) and he's happy as a clam and remembers all his training. I've had my trainer friend look at his teeth (and I have, as well) and there aren't any points or anything that would bother him (can't even find his wolf teeth).
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Gosh, those were Zane's symptoms exactly! He totally ignored the snaffle bit, to the point of turning into the rein pressure instead of giving to it. It's like he was loosing his training.

Actually, YOU inspired me to try the hackamore. I don't have a Little S, but I have a similar hackamore and it had a rope noseband and I cut that off and put a plain leather curb strap as a noseband and that is what I tried on him. I was inspired to try it after our bitting problems and I read that you used the Little S for trails. So you inspired ME.

I believe they are loosing baby caps at this age, and on up to maybe age 5 or 6? I will have to look that up. I think they loose a few each year until they have all their adult teeth erupted.
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post #25 of 57 Old 04-28-2013, 12:03 AM Thread Starter
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I had a breakthrough with my 3 yr old today so when I saw your post, I had to respond.

It is worth noting that at age 3 they still have baby teeth falling out and adult teeth coming in. I didn't even realize this was a problem until I rode yesterday and my 3 yr old acted like he had no training at all when it came to turning. It was like he regressed and didn't even want to direct rein (several months ago we were working on neck reining and he was starting to get it). So when I rode yesterday I was really discouraged. Then I took off his bridle and saw some pink foam on his bit. Yup, blood. I never draw blood on my horses, I pride myself in light hands. So I was looking around in his mouth (the best I could with a mouthy 3 yr old) and saw the blood seemed to be coming from one of his top molars.

I then realized he probably has baby caps about ready to fall out and that is where the blood is coming from. Because about a month ago he lost his two top and bottom baby caps on his front teeth and it was the same thing.....bleeding for an unknown reason until I looked at his mouth.

So today I rode him in a hackamore and it was like "wow, he remembers his training after all!" So all that trouble I had the day before was purely because his teeth were bothering him!

So give your guy the benefit of the doubt that it could be his teeth. And besides, your cousins are kids. They are just trying to push your buttons. I almost came to the point of dropping a "friend" one time because she was knocking my horse. I almost told her I would give her up before I gave up my horse but I bit my tongue. And it worked out for the best anyway because I don't even have contact with her anymore. I still have the wonderful horse she was knocking.

So anyway, love your guy and don't let the mean people get to you. Just because they say something doesn't make it true. And your guy could been having tooth pain at his age.
Ah! Have I been saying I've been using a bit with him? I meant a hackamore! My father is very much against bits, and he makes me use a hackamore!

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Thank you all for what you've said. I feel better now, and I promise you all, I will NOT be letting my cousins ride my horse. They want a horse, they can just go hop on Patches.

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Ah! Have I been saying I've been using a bit with him? I meant a hackamore! My father is very much against bits, and he makes me use a hackamore!
Well, there are different types of hackamores too. Some are gentler than others. Some work differently than others. So if you own more than one type, you might try a different one just to see if he reins better.

I actually use bits on both of my other trail horses. Never had a problem. But I never had a youngster before either, and never had to worry about their baby teeth falling out.
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Gosh, those were Zane's symptoms exactly! He totally ignored the snaffle bit, to the point of turning into the rein pressure instead of giving to it. It's like he was loosing his training.

Actually, YOU inspired me to try the hackamore. I don't have a Little S, but I have a similar hackamore and it had a rope noseband and I cut that off and put a plain leather curb strap as a noseband and that is what I tried on him. I was inspired to try it after our bitting problems and I read that you used the Little S for trails. So you inspired ME. .
Oh my goodness! The turning into the pressure is precisely what Aires does! I have pics of it when I'm riding and it looks like I'm totally reefing on him...but I'm not!
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Ah! Have I been saying I've been using a bit with him? I meant a hackamore! My father is very much against bits, and he makes me use a hackamore!
Do you direct/plow rein or are you trying to neck rein?

Adding to what THR said, for a horse who doesn't have a clear idea of moving off leg pressure, direct reining in a hackamore can be confusing. I'm lucky that Aires understood leg pressure and moving off it from pretty much his first ride.

If you're trying to neck rein, but he hasn't been taught to neck rein (Aires is proving to be a butt to teach neck reining to lol), you're just going to confuse him more, regardless of he's in a bit or hackamore.
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I, personally, would tell my cousins that when I wanted an opinion from them, I'd give it to them first. Or, I'd just slap it out of them.....but I'm old enough to be mean that way and not have parents to jump all over me. They're just jealous.

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