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        04-11-2012, 09:38 PM
      #21
    Foal
    ^^Noo no.No there just like the one in NYC ^^ I hAve noooo problem with that sort of buggies my horse came from the Amish and are all treated very good from my experience
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        04-11-2012, 09:40 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
    You do realize that PETA finds what YOU do (simply keeping and, God forbid, riding a horse) to be cruelty to your horse(s), don't you, OP?
         
        04-11-2012, 09:43 PM
      #23
    Foal
    Yes I do understand. Like I said I'm just not a fan in my own experience of what I've seen with some of the carriage horses. I'm not fully behind on everything PETA does.
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        04-11-2012, 09:46 PM
      #24
    Green Broke
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    The reason why I'm against this is there was horse carriages where I live until last year. And these horses were not in the best condition and on top of that 5 were kill in 1 month because they were hit by cars. I'm not saying absolutely every horse is treated horribly but I just don't like the idea of horses walking through heavy traffic…that was my biggest issue. I donto even riding my horses on the roads because I've seen too many careless drivers
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    That's when you have to look at all sides of things. It's not quite so black and white and sometimes things that people come up with, thinking it will solve a problem, only end up making more problems, and sometimes those problems are even worse. Completely outlawing them would put these horses out of work. Which means, the people owning them may not be able to afford to keep/feed the animals. What happens to them then? That could actually lead to worse disaster.

    However, researching, find a bill/petition or perhaps starting your own that comes up with a better answer may be what's needed. What about petitioning for a bill to make sure they have reasonably clean and safe stalls? What about petitioning for a bill to create a safer working environment for them such as only working on streets where automobiles are not allowed or creating carriage only easeways?. I have seen a lot of carriages in CA that are run on non-automobile/pedestrian only streets. Something like that would solve the problem without causing more problems that can cause the horses to go to slaughter or into worse conditions.

    The thought of signing in a bill to fix one problem, but create others just doesn't seem like much of a solution, especially for the horses.
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        04-11-2012, 09:50 PM
      #25
    Foal
    Does anyone really feel like this bill will be passed?? I don't. But If it does create an uprise I hope it does make them change their condition.
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        04-11-2012, 10:17 PM
      #26
    Trained
    I think what you are missing here is well intentioned people who treat their animals well will always do so with or without a government telling them to do so. Conversly, someone who doesn't give a crap won't suddenly change their mind just because some obtuse law was passed saying something is no longer permitted. All legislation does is drag the good people down with the bad who aren't going to change their ways no matter what the law says, and in the case of your issue with carriage horses, not everyone even agrees with your point of view. Your government was never meant to be your conscience. That's what you have a mind of your own for. Use it to treat your animals like gold and understand that you will not always agree with what others do with theirs. While it's fading fast, this is still primarily a free country.
         
        04-11-2012, 10:39 PM
      #27
    Foal
    Said I know what you guys are all saying and I do agree with most of what was said and I guess I've changed some aspects of my mind but I still don't think NYC is the place for any horse. In my opinion
         
        04-12-2012, 12:08 AM
      #28
    Weanling
    I think that both opinions may be uniformed. You can't prove that all the horses are being treated like the ones in the video, and those that are claiming all the horses get turnout time and pasture time and buckets of feed and water...have you followed around every carriage in NYC to make sure the horses are being treated properly? I highly doubt it...so then you can't make such a quick judgement either.

    I see the carriage horses in Chicago and some look healthy, some just really don't. So before either side goes and makes some all inclusive statement, I suggest you go out and research it first.
         
        04-12-2012, 08:40 AM
      #29
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    Originally Posted by Theissyhunterjumper    
    The reason why I'm against this is there was horse carriages where I live until last year. And these horses were not in the best condition and on top of that 5 were kill in 1 month because they were hit by cars. I'm not saying absolutely every horse is treated horribly but I just don't like the idea of horses walking through heavy traffic…that was my biggest issue. I donto even riding my horses on the roads because I've seen too many careless drivers
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    if horses can't walk through heavy traffic after being trained to deal with such things then why on earth do parents get away with letting children under 10 walk the streets alone???

    I am not saying its not dangerous but if we are going to ban something for being to dangerous for an animal who is considered below us in intelligence then why are we not doing the same for the human race.

    The problem is not the horses, the problem is the ignorant humans that drive like maniacs thru the city because they are trying to make more money by driving like nascar drivers...

    Best solution for both animals and HUMAN would be to put some speed bumps in and force cars to go the speed limit since obvisously ticketing them is not changing anything. That alone would help reduce risk of humans and horses and dogs and cats being hit by cars... just a thought
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        04-12-2012, 10:01 AM
      #30
    Yearling
    While I think for the most part, there are some who may not be, the carriage horses are being well taken care of in their off time and rest breaks. What I see in a horse walking/trotting on the hard surfaces of streets is the hardship to hooves and leg structures. However, obviously, hopefully the carriage horses are shod with the shock absorbing type shoes or are they barefoot? I know for a fact that horses on surfaces such as streets can and do have trouble with loosing traction on hard surfaces. Anyone know about the shoes on carriage horses? Ringbone is a common affliction to horses who are exposed to prolonged stress of concussion on hard surfaces. High ringbone involves the pastern joint area and low ringbone the coffin joint area.

    I did not sign the petition!! I do have an opinion of PETA and I don't think they would want to hear it.
         

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