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post #81 of 84 Old 04-17-2012, 12:37 PM
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How many of you have actually been in their stables?

How many of you actually know anything about the NYC carriage horses, other than what you've read on the internet, and how many of you have actually been in the stables?

Before you start suggesting changes to the law regarding NYC carriage horses, I suggest you read what the law actually is – you can find it under the Administrative Code of the City of New York, Title 20 Consumer Affairs , Chapter 2 Licenses , Subchapter 21 Sight-Seeing Buses, Horse-Drawn Cabs And Drivers; Rules of the City of New York, Title 6 Department of Consumer Affairs, Chapter 2 Licenses , Subchapter U Sightseeing Buses, Horsedrawn Cabs and Drivers; Rules of the City Of New York, Title 24 Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, Chapter 4 Health, Safety and Well-Being of Rental Horses; and Administrative Code of the City of New York, Title 17 Health , Chapter 3 Licenses and Permits , Subchapter 3 Rental Horse Licensing and Protection Law.

I've been in Clinton Park Stables - it is clean, open, airy, and well-ventilated, stalls well-bedded, plenty of hay, custom mix grain, automatic waterers, sprinklers in case of, God forbid, a fire, misters and fans. And, yes, the stalls are much bigger than you’ve been led to believe – the size is mandated by law and the horses can, in fact, lie down in them. I saw plenty doing so. The horses were all in good weight and condition – bright eyed, engaged and engaging. We saw the stable hands moving the carriages by hand, by themselves. We walked up and down the ramp and saw horses do the same. When on their daily routes, the horses have access to water, grain, and carrots.

BTW – I am not a carriage driver. I had heard about this controversy and went to New York to see for myself what was going on. If I thought for one second that these horses were not being kept in anything but great conditions I would not spend so much of my time defending them. I suggest that before you start telling someone else how to best keep their horses, that you actually understand, as in actual research, what is truly going on.

One more thing to keep in mind – the folks behind this don’t give a rat’s ass about horses. This is all about two things, 1) very valuable real estate and 2) the radical animal rights activists wish to end ALL human-animal bonds. They mean to do away with ALL uses of all animals – no therapy dogs, no riding horses, certainly no livestock. Don’t believe me? Do your own research and you will see for yourself.
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post #82 of 84 Old 04-17-2012, 12:48 PM
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IF they get this accomplished where are they going stop? Your backyard? Your barn? Your riding stable?
There are hundreds of thousands of horses stalled and kept on very little turnout and working way harder jobs than these carriage horses. What makes you think they won't figure out a way to go after yours?
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post #83 of 84 Old 04-17-2012, 02:00 PM
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personally.. if you think THESE horses are working hard? you should see what it was like for horses pulling and plowing, and doing all the tending to big fields, how hard they have to work. horses should be worked like that. most horses live for work. and i think a horse should work to earn its keep. i see nothing wrong with any of this what so ever. i mean heck, YOU could die in traffic, therefore you should never visit new york. or maybe no city at all.. actually wait you shouldn't walk, because then you could trip and kill your self, or maybe no swimming either you could drowned. if people are going to be so wrapped up in ways they could die how would anyone get along now. no wonder people die all the time. its like a conspiracy or something..

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post #84 of 84 Old 04-17-2012, 08:28 PM
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I feel sorry for the animals that they could have saved in the future from genuine hardships,

You really believe this?? Make no mistake, PETA's only goal is for nobody anywhere ever to own, eat or otherwise enslave an animal as they see it. They would rather your beloved pets be euthanized than for you to enslave them. Any animal they "save", as you put it, would find itself dead within hours. These people are so over the top and misguided, it's scary. They pull the wool other people's eyes and manage to scam money out of their pockets only to turn around and use it to push legislation banning anything to do with animals. They make me sick.

If people truly want to help animals, donate on a local level. National chapters of any organization spend the bulk of you hard earned cash on legislation, most of it being very misguided.

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