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    11-01-2012, 01:33 PM
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Possible Purchase - Opinions Please

I am having this gelding vet checked on Monday. Wanted to get some opnions on him. He is a 10 YO Oldenburg Gelding by Cor Noir. Owned by a Grand Prix rider. He is currently second level, and has his changes. The Grand Prix rider is a teacher at a college and has six horses and has no time to show him.

He has a great presonality and is a very nice ride. He is an excellent price, but definitely needs some more mileage on him. He originally came from New Orleans and was in Katrina. When the current owner bought him, he was an unbroken 5 year old.

The current owner did say that he has a high set neck and that he will stretch but needs encouragement to do so.

Just wanted to get some opinions and see if anyone sees anything obvious about him that may cause concern. I just want reassurance that he is not too good to be true :).

I want to train and show him up to 3-4 level, and possibly PSG, but PSG is a maybe, I would be very happy just doing 3-4 level.

I can't figure out how to load a video, but here are links:

This is me riding him:


This is the current owner riding him dressage:


And then the current owner riding WTC:


Thanks in advance for your help!
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    11-01-2012, 01:35 PM
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Looks like the videos posted fine, didnt realize it was that easy!
     
    11-01-2012, 04:58 PM
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Yearling
I don't know anything about dressage, but he's gorgeous!
     
    11-01-2012, 05:08 PM
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Trained
If the price is right I think you should be interested in him. BUT, he's mouthing that bit so much it looks like somebody attached a bar of soap to the bit. Why is he for sale? I'm wondering bc I think you'll need to fill in some holes in his education--seems kinda nervous and you didn't push him very hard in the trial, if that was what we saw in the first video. I think you could have ridden him like he was your new bright shiny Christmas toy, but you just hacked him around, as if you thought he'd break.
I think I would take a 2nd look at him, with a list of things the current owner should demonstrate. For instance, don't assume that he trailers or does any basic obedience well until you see him do it. Also, I'd prefer to see him ridden out of doors--maybe he bolts.
It seems like the pricing demonstrates some problems and you don't want to take him home and find the problems afterwards. It's JUST MHO, but he might have some baggage and you might do better starting a younger horse yourself.
EVEN with tons of horses available NOBODY is selling their best horses, now.
     
    11-07-2012, 11:24 AM
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Absolutely beautiful horse!! Lovely attitude and presence! Nice horse, really!

If I was going to be really picky, there are a few tiny things...
1 - knees come up higher that I like (but that is not getting as bad of marks as it used to)
2 - little bit of wobble in the hocks, does he get injections?
3 - last but not least, is he friendly?

How did the vet check go?

If you decide agaist him, PLEASE let me know,,,he looks exactly like I wnated him to lock:)
     
    11-07-2012, 11:51 AM
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Thanks Anita! I think that he is quite awesome as well. He passed the vet check fine, all flex tests sound, and lounging and undersaddle as well. They did say he was a bit uneven in the hind, but it was nominal and less then 1.5 inches, and the vet said it was no cause for concern.

The vet that checked him is new to digital xrays, WV is a little behind the times, and she suggested that I have my vet in maryland take a look at the xrays, just to be sure. So I am waiting on that. Should be done by the end of the week. The great thing is this vet charges by the hour, and not by each xray, so they xrayed him up and down, so I will be very informed of ANYTHING that could be wrong.

As far as I know, from what the owner told me, no injections in the hocks.

He has a GREAT personality, just a big puppy, and even though he is big and forward, I never felt intimidated by him or that he was going to bolt etc. The owner did mention that he likes to be a one person horse and really bonds with the person that rides him, which is a HUGE plus in my book.
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    11-07-2012, 12:18 PM
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I completely agree with Corporal. Nice looking horse but definitely some holes in his training.... I frequently see him trying to creep behind the bit, while bending he is evading, don't know the English word for it, in German we say "verwerfen", he cocks his head a bit. He's swishing his tail too much for my taste doing the laterals.
I'd go a couple more times and definitely ask questions.
     
    11-07-2012, 01:20 PM
  #8
Foal
Deserthorsewoman -- Thanks for the opinion. Im curious, why do you say that you don't like how much his tail moves? I know that there are a few holes in his training, and I am okay with that, the price reflects that. He will be going for some training when he gets home, possible with Julio Mendoza, so he will be able to get the holes filled in. Another question, I know that he looks behind the bit with me riding him, there were so many buttons on him, and I must admit that I am used to riding a TB that is WAY behind the leg, and it was different riding something forward. I was riding him a little different while we were figuring each other out. That was when this video was taken. I rode him for about 40 min and after a while he was going quite nicely on the bit and relaxed.

Did you see him behind the bit in the videos with the owner riding, I see a few steps, but not many.
     
    11-07-2012, 01:34 PM
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I didn't watch more than maybe 10 seconds of "your" video and went straight to the other two...I could see you trying to feel him out
He was creeping, several times, with the pro rider too, but got corrected. The tail swishing is a sign of either too much leg from the rider or a horse not too inclined to "take" a leg aid. He did it with both riders.
I am more than pleased to hear he'll be going into training. , I think he definitely has potential.
If the price is right, I'd say go for it.
As you probably can tell, im more from the old school German style dressage. And I lived in Oldenburg and Hannover country during my active warmblood years.
But I have no clue about which bloodlines have made it here. So, could you fill me in on his pedigree a bit?
     
    11-07-2012, 01:40 PM
  #10
Foal
Deserthorsewoman-- here is about Corrie's sire taken from breeding-stallions.com

Cor Noir is an excellent example of the importance of a successful motherline. His dam Paranka, is also the dam of the German Gold Team medallist "Chacamo," by Calypso I (son of Cor de la Bryere). Cor Noir shares the same natural elevation and powerful mechanics that made his brother a champion. Chacamo helped the German team to a Gold Medal finish at the 2000 Sydney Olympics and ranked 9th in the WBFSH year 2000 standings for results in international dressage competition.

Paranka is by Marmor, who himself was a Grand Prix dressage horse. The rideability of the M-line in Cor Noir's maternal foundation bears a long history of international dressage success, like Montevideo ridden by Uwe Sauer for the German Team in the 80's. Dressage capability is a strong suit in this Holsteiner pedigree.

Cor de la Bryere, Cor Noir's sire, was a living legend long before his death in 2002. Cor de la Bryere produced a myriad of successful athletes earning medals in both jumping and dressage. He is on the Eternal List of Sires due to his prominence in breeding programs around the globe. Not only the direct offspring of Cor de la Byere, but those of his many successful sons (like Calypso I and II, Caletto I and II, etc.) bring international medals back to their homeland repeatedly.

His dam is quite well bred too, let me see if I can find some info on her, I forget her name but I have it in an email somewhere.
     

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