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    12-12-2011, 09:27 PM
progress then bad ...grr

So I introduced bailey the new guy to the herd on saturday. The first half hour was rough with denny picking on him. But bailey was fine with being submissive and letting him be in control. The other two horses didn't mind the new guy at all. My blind horse jessie has actually found a liking to bailey and follows him everywhere. They all eventually settled down and I let them hangout together for the day.

Later that day I had a grooming session with each horse. One at a time. After they were clean I let them be for the rest of the day as I had just spent about 2 hours with each horse grooming and cleaning them up.

Progress is so far - denny didn't charge me since I went ape **** on him the day before and hasn't even put his ears back once. Hopefully I can keep this going. And all the horses were easy to catch, lead great, and stood while tied no problem.

Bad comes the next day when I went to catch bailey to bring him to a public trail for a running adventure. We have 2 fields back to back that we leave open so they have 2 fields about 10 acres to run around in. Well I was walking to the first field and called for bailey and he came trotting from the far field. He was on the left near my blind horse and denny was on the far right. Well as bailey trotted to me at the gate denny came full speed attacking him. And circling him to keep him from coming towards me.

I wasnt even in the field yet. So I went to get a lunge whip and baling wire and when I went in there, denny wouldn't let bailey come to me. Denny kept running bailey off and then denny would walk to me like he wanted to come out. I forced him away and went for bailey again and he kept charging him. I even had to hit him in the rump and shoulder multiple times to get him to back off (since he wasn't responding to any whip cracking etc )so I could get near bailey.

Any idea why denny was showing such behavior. I have never seen a horse circle another nor have I seen one not allow one to go to a human. Denny has had new herd members before but this is the first time he ever tried to keep one from coming to me.
I talked to my trainer and she said they are still figuring out pecking order. But I don't think that could be it unless denny is looking at me as mare

Any ideas I am very confused and feel I am getting wrong info from my trainer
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    12-12-2011, 10:47 PM
I think he is just showing his dominance. Not that this is acceptable behavior, but that's the motivator.
    12-12-2011, 10:51 PM
One of the pushier geldings would drive Jayne off during the first week or so at his barn. Once I got after the pushier gelding a few times and things settled down, he quit. Worst case, maybe just halter and tie Denny while you fetch Bailey.
    12-13-2011, 10:38 AM
Bubba - is this dominance towards me even though he is attacking the other gelding or is it just for the gelding???

Sharpie - I guess I will have to do start doing this with him again!! Err

I just wish for once I could find a trainer who actually knows what the heck is going on and could help me.
    12-13-2011, 10:45 AM
I would say he is the herd leader, and bailey is bottom of the pack. But you're above Bailey, but not above the other.
    12-13-2011, 10:49 AM
Hahaha duffy that is correct :/ still working on it... trying to figure out dominance with him... I just don't understand why he wouldn't let him come to me. He doesn't stop any of the other horses who come running when I call. So why did he do it this time. It just makes no sense to me. And why would he circle him???
It just does not make sense enless I am missing something , which I think I am I just can't grasp it to figure it out
    12-13-2011, 10:52 AM
New to the pack, and is he's lowest, then Baileys doesn't stand a chance. You need to make sure he's able to feed and water if your other horse is chasing him. You do, however, need to assert authority over this other horse on the ground so he stops charging anything or anyone...
    12-13-2011, 11:09 AM
That can't be the only reason. Jessie (the blind horse) was new only a few months ago and denny never charged him for coming to me nor did denny keep him from me. So I really doubt it is bc of being a new member.
And I am trying to get the dominance thing trust me. I almost ended up in the hospital this weekend for going at him. And I finally had my trainer there to see it and all she said was oh he is playing around... wth he is not playing around and she is a certified trainer through one of the equine training schools in my area.
And I seperate all of them for feeding to make sure they get enough grain and put about 10 piles of hay in the field to keep enough piles ot shift to.

I literally am at a loss, I have no idea what to do with him anymore. I have had 4 trainers in the last month and have recieved the same info from them.. he is just playing. I am in hell right now literally!! His dominance is not play
    12-13-2011, 11:19 AM
I don't allow any 'play' I'm not a horse, and not horse sized.

Someone else will probably be able to help you with groundwork, but wear a hat and gloves. He needs some respect.

Some horses are dominant, others aren't. If Bailey's isn't, he's new to the herd and he has to establish his place with in it, which sounds like he hasn't- hence the reaction from your other horse.
    12-13-2011, 11:24 AM
That could be it... jessie didnt fight back at all and bailey has been some what. So maybe it is still pecking order business.

And that's what I have told them I don't want to play with a horse its dangerous and they all insisted there was no harm done by it. So I am currently looking for a new trainer who specializes with dominance or problem.. maybe they will get me a result that makes this horse safer.
Thanks duffy

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