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        03-10-2012, 11:51 PM
      #11
    Showing
    Yes, your stipulations ARE absolutely ridiculous. If you want to have a say in this horses's life, then don't try to shove off the financial burdens of him onto someone else.

    You have no right to make ANY stipulations if you sell/give away this animal. If you're unwilling or unable to provide him with the proper care, you can't claim the moral high ground and expect people to bend over backwards in order to make YOU feel better.

    People like you irk the snot out of me. You can't or won't take care of the animal, yet you expect to have some say in their life even though you're not contributing to their care in any way, shape, or form.

    Either sell/ give away the horse with no expectations, or keep him yourself. You have no right to expect anything from someone willing to take on your problem animal.
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        03-11-2012, 12:55 AM
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    Yearling
    SR is right. No one in their right mind would agree to all of those stipulations. -
    The most you can hope for is that they may take the time to update you occasionally on how he is doing, but that gets old fast for the horse owner.-
    You can either keep him or let him go, but once he is gone you have no say about him anymore.
         
        03-11-2012, 01:02 AM
      #13
    Trained
    The reality of it is, that if you want the best for this horse, there are 2 options in which you will know FOR SURE what has happened to him. 1) you keep him 2) you put him down

    Now 2 would be the 'worst case scenario', but when you are looking at behavioral issues like his, and with the stipulations YOU are personally looking for, the chances of finding someone who is willing to take on an animal like this for life, is a long shot. There are people who have the skills the train or retrain a horse like him, but they may not be looking for a life time horse, but a project that they train, and resell.

    He is unfortunately not gentle enough to wind up into organizations that would actually take him for life, with the stipulations you are looking for (these being programs that help the disabled, and other such programs that need gentle well broke horses). I donated a horse many years back to a program that helped disabled people, but he was broke to the nines...I rode that horse without a bridle.

    I think you need to really think about what you are asking, and what the reality of the horse economy is. I think you need to find someone who has the ability to retrain him, and if they wish to resell later on, you NEED to be willing to accept that...he will not be yours anymore, once he leaves your farm. Or, you need to just keep him, and keep working with him; perhaps try and get into a good clinic with a good trainer...sometimes that is what horse and owner need, and sometimes you can get in for free, if the trainer can use him as a demo horse.
         
        03-11-2012, 01:35 AM
      #14
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    Yes, your stipulations ARE absolutely ridiculous. If you want to have a say in this horses's life, then don't try to shove off the financial burdens of him onto someone else.

    You have no right to make ANY stipulations if you sell/give away this animal. If you're unwilling or unable to provide him with the proper care, you can't claim the moral high ground and expect people to bend over backwards in order to make YOU feel better.

    People like you irk the snot out of me. You can't or won't take care of the animal, yet you expect to have some say in their life even though you're not contributing to their care in any way, shape, or form.

    Either sell/ give away the horse with no expectations, or keep him yourself. You have no right to expect anything from someone willing to take on your problem animal.
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    You know I found this interesting, do you know how many 501(c) demand the same stipulations this owner is asking? Alot also require references, and a home check, they also stipulate the horse has to be returned to the rescue if you no longer want he/she, so you can't resell. Maybe its just my area, but that's how they are. Which is why I avoid rescues, they ask so and so price for most likely problem or abused horses. So say you put time and money into the horse, then can no longer take care of said horse, they expect you to hand it back over. So even though it is pretty ridiculous, it isn't unfamilar conditions at all.
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        03-11-2012, 08:55 AM
      #15
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Born2Ride    
    You know I found this interesting, do you know how many 501(c) demand the same stipulations this owner is asking? Alot also require references, and a home check, they also stipulate the horse has to be returned to the rescue if you no longer want he/she, so you can't resell. Maybe its just my area, but that's how they are. Which is why I avoid rescues, they ask so and so price for most likely problem or abused horses. So say you put time and money into the horse, then can no longer take care of said horse, they expect you to hand it back over. So even though it is pretty ridiculous, it isn't unfamilar conditions at all.
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    As we have seen in other threads - it is unenforceable.

    I have to agree with others, either keep the horse, put it down, or say good-bye with no stips.
         
        03-11-2012, 09:41 AM
      #16
    Banned
    To be brutally honest your horse doesn't have much going for him.

    He's untrained, not rideable, has previously been in poor condition and has been through a variety of owners.

    You'd be VERY VERY lucky if you could find anyone who wants to have him.

    He's going to be a very expensive lawn mower or else a spoilt and untrained older horse and that's about it!

    The chances of finding someone who will make the required emotional and financial investment is a more remote possibility.

    The chances of finding someone who will have him and has a big heart and money AND expertise and the ability to commit is about as rare as finding rocking horse poo!

    The chances that this person would then agree to all your stipulations is ZILCH! Unless of course you believe in miracles and have already found hens have teeth.

    I personally find it VERY sad when folks acquire horses out of pity and invest purely in fattening them up but not in sorting out what would actually make them a viable prospect. I.e. Training to be a polite and well-mannered riding horse.

    If you want your horse to have the best and most realistic chance, that's what you should do.
         
        03-11-2012, 02:10 PM
      #17
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Born2Ride    
    You know I found this interesting, do you know how many 501(c) demand the same stipulations this owner is asking? Alot also require references, and a home check, they also stipulate the horse has to be returned to the rescue if you no longer want he/she, so you can't resell. Maybe its just my area, but that's how they are. Which is why I avoid rescues, they ask so and so price for most likely problem or abused horses. So say you put time and money into the horse, then can no longer take care of said horse, they expect you to hand it back over. So even though it is pretty ridiculous, it isn't unfamilar conditions at all.
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    Those are all the reasons I won't deal with rescues, but people know going in that they'll never own the horse, so it's on them if they want to agree to what amounts to nothing more than a lifetime foster arrangement.

    If a private party takes money for something, they have no right to make any stipulations. They should do due diligence in making sure the animal us going to the best possible home, but have no rights to it once it leaves their ownership.
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        03-11-2012, 02:19 PM
      #18
    Trained
    He's a rearer, shaky on his legs? Let him eat grass & you pet him & love him, don't inflict this horse upon anyone. You took on the problem & you love this horse right? Well he's yours now or he needs to go to the big pasture in the sky. He is a time bomb and could kill someone.
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        03-16-2012, 11:46 PM
      #19
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    Those are all the reasons I won't deal with rescues, but people know going in that they'll never own the horse, so it's on them if they want to agree to what amounts to nothing more than a lifetime foster arrangement.

    If a private party takes money for something, they have no right to make any stipulations. They should do due diligence in making sure the animal us going to the best possible home, but have no rights to it once it leaves their ownership.
    I agree, actually about a month ago I had a "rescue" offer me a 3yr.old qh for $300 under the condition that I couldnt resell him, and I had to return him to the "rescue" if I could no longer care for the horse. I told them im not going to take a horse, have it trained then down the road if I can't care for it hand it back. Then she tells me "Well for an extra fee there would be no contract". For $500 I could get him with no contract... what legitimate rescue barters with somebody like that o.O
         
        03-17-2012, 12:15 AM
      #20
    Yearling
    Because you're looking to give him away and not sell him, you can be as picky as you want. I personally believe in checking the home, if it's not too unreasonable, and no harm is done by asking that they keep in touch with you, or asking that they give him back if they don't want him- but demanding these things will drive a lot of people away, which isn't a problem if you're not selling for cash. But keep in mind, once you choose to give him away, he's gone- if they don't hold up their end of the deal, there's nothing you can do, because he's theirs. I think, judging by what you've stated, your best bet is to keep him, since you obviously are trying to guarantee that he gets the perfect home, and the only way to do that is to keep him yourself or put him down, as he requires so much work- people don't want that in this economy.
         

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