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post #1 of 11 Old 01-21-2010, 03:14 PM Thread Starter
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Rant about trainers :/

Whenever I read a thread asking for advice about how to do something, the common reply is 'Get a good trainer.'
Quite a few will go on to give a couple tips, or explain their own story involving the topic, but some will just leave it at that.
This annoys me. I, a 14 year old girl, who only can have a horse because I work off half of the board, do not have the money for a trainer. Nor do I have the time, or, quite frankly, know how to go about finding a trainer. I understand they can be very helpful, which is great when you can get them. But really, I just don't have the money right now to go out and find a trainer everytime something goes wrong with my horse. If I did, I'd be broke within a day of riding!
Take the other day, for example. I was lunging Rainy, getting out the kinks and energy, and she bucked a few times. I thought nothing of it and just continued to lunge, which, for Rainy, is cantering until she calms down. It's all she knows how to do, we're working on it. Well, she started to get an additude and reared up a little (did on of those backing up into a rear things), and then galloped off and bucked more. Obviously, I was having none of that. However, it was one of those situations where I felt like yes, having a trainer there might help out, but really, I can deal with this and try to teach her otherwise myself.
So what am I saying here? Well, I guess I'm asking for more advice and help, not just being told, "Find a trainer." It's not always probable (in fact, for some people here, I imagine it's hardly in the realm of possibility), and for me, at least, it gets annoying to be told that when I know it's not going to happen.

Sorry for the rant. It's been bugging me for a while, and I thought I should let people know. I have nothing against trainers, and I understand sometimes that's all you can contribute, but, well, this is how I feel.
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post #2 of 11 Old 01-21-2010, 03:43 PM
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For many people though, it is obvious they need in person help. Words of advice are good but when someone says my horse does this or that, leaving out one key word can make a huge difference in the advice given.

Issues with horses are typically not black and white. No one answer is right for every horse/person/situation.

A good trainer can see and assess the situation. A lot of help can be had for the fee of one training session/lesson.
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I also find it srustrating - But I have to remember that there is a very big difference in the horse culture between AUS and the US.

Here in AUS I don't know a single person who has a trainer. I know maybe 2-3 who get lessons. People send horses off to get broke, they send horses off for refreshers, and they might get a few lessons - But a 'trainer' as it is seen on here? No way! Someone to take them to shows and babysit? No way!

It just doesn't happen where I live, and yet we are all pretty decent riders. I personally haven't had a lesson from a paid instructor since I was 10. I get advice and tips from people and have been to a few clinics - But most of what I know I learnt on my own from doing. There is no better lesson than one you figure out for yourself. I truly believe that as long as they aren't putting themselves in danger, a student will learn better by making the mistakes and then learning how to avoid them, than never making them in the first place.

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When we say "get a trainer", it can mean "take a lesson". It's not like we all have trainers hired to work the horse from start to finish. It just means to find someone knowledgeable to give you some help.

There are ways that you can find free help. Pony Club and 4-H are usually very active in teaching horsemanship skills. You'll also meet other kids & adult leaders that are experienced enough to help with any problem areas you have. Since you are willing to work off your board, perhaps you can find a place to keep your horse that will allow you to get lessons & board in exchange for the work that you do.

There are also clinic opportunities available that you can find for reasonable prices. If you find out about them in advance, you can save save save to pay for it. Sometimes I find clinics in my area that cost as little as $10! There are open play days or schooling shows that you can visit & talk to people. Be open and ask questions about how your new friend might fix a certain problem that you are dealing with. Volunteer at a horse show, specifically for the ring steward job. I can't tell you how much I learn when I ask the judge questions throughout the day (they are just normal people!).

If you need/want help, there are ways to get it.

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post #5 of 11 Old 01-21-2010, 05:18 PM
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Fabulous post, GottaRide.

I'd also like to add that *auditing* clinics is a wonderful cheap way to get an education. A *lot* of my eventing and dressage eductation came in the form of auditing (observing) clinics, usually for a $10 - 20 fee.

Horseluver, I sympathize with your frustration and commend you for being an independent horseperson who tries to fix things themselves. However, if you read some of the posts asking for help or advice on this board, it's very hard to respond in any other way than "get a trainer" because of factors like -

- The situation described is clearly dangerous, and to give advice over the net would be irresponsible
- The poster's knowledge of basic horsemanship is so lacking that posting advice like "outside leg behind the girth" is pointless.
- the advice needed is impossibly detailed
- From the tone of the post it's clear that the poster is going to be hostile or defensive to the appropriate advice
- not being able to get a clear sense of what the problem is from the poster's description (for instance, your mare's problem on the lunge line - without seeing it for myself, I don't know if it was high spirits, flagrant disobedience, reaction to external stimuli, reaction to pain, or something else)
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When I suggest someone get a trainer and offer no other advice what I'm really saying is "you are not competent to do the things your horse requires that you do without getting hurt or screwing up your horse".

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When I suggest someone get a trainer and offer no other advice what I'm really saying is "you are not competent to do the things your horse requires that you do without getting hurt or screwing up your horse".
Lol I always get when that's your intent :]

I don't really mind those sort of posts - It's the posts that imply that if you don't have a trainer you wont' get anywhere, must be a bad rider, are endangering your horse etc. that get stuck in my craw.

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Some people are bad riders, do endanger thier horse and aren't going anywhere without a trainer. I don't think that applies to you or several other people on this forum but there are alot of posts that nobody with enough experience to fix the problem would have to ask. When someone posts How many cinches should my saddle have? and then posts a question about why thier horse rears and bucks everytime they try to get on you have to wonder how smart it is to give them any more advice than go find a trainer.

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Horseluver, is there a person at your barn that has a lot of horse handling sense? Someone with experience that could show you a few pointers or help you with the situation.

There are many people out there that are not "horse trainers" but are very good with horses and have experience. I'd tap into that resource so that you would have someone to bounce ideas off and have guide you when needed.

Just a thought.
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kevinshorses, I love the way you said the same thing I did - in 1/4 the words.

And yes, there's a thread elsewhere on the board right now that's a clear example.
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