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        12-25-2012, 02:17 PM
      #1
    Green Broke
    A rant/insight thread about my new horse.

    I bought my new horse about a month ago from a lady I had sent my other horse to for a month of training. The horse is a 12 year old paint gelding. Bombproof and quiet. Basically pushbutton. Unregistered. He came from Va to Pa to a broker where they bought him and used him as a lesson/trail horse. She had him for about 6/7 months and he was full leased out to a guy who just trail rode him. Then I bought him.

    Now, I've been riding since I was 3 but inconsistently. So I feel safer and more comfortable on the "quiter" horses so to speak. Which is why when the opportunity arose for me to buy this horse, I did. He's quiet and basically my 'dream' horse. I've never had a lot of money to dump into horses either and this is the one time I did so I jumped and bought him.

    I totally love the horse but of course with my luck things always go wrong. Firstly, I would like to do some WP shows this summer and he's a stubborn loader, not too big of a deal because my mare is too and my trainer showed me how to work on that. Being he was a lesson horse he's gotten away with a lot, too. If he doesn't want to do something he just stops. Ok. So we worked on that too and it's getting better.

    The worst issue of all though is that he's petrified of the barn. On the cross ties he gets himself worked up... sweating and diarreah. I've been working on it with him and although its a smidge better its not 100%. The farrier came out and we could barely pull his shoes and trim him because he was so worked up. And not to mention my farrier tried to get him done quick before he freaked so I think he could benefit from a little file now and he just came out two weeks ago. I finally asked the old owner if he did this with her too and she admitted that she thinks he's had a bad experience in there or that he was always tacked up outside cause it took a couple months for him to settle in on the cross ties at her barn too. Ok, great to know cause I was starting to wonder if he was testing me or what. Mind you though that outside on the cross ties he's perfect and stands still and is an angel. But in the barn he's a PITA.

    Also, I decided to ride him alone the other day. I started by tacking him up outside which went awesome cause he was a dream on the cross ties out there. Then once tacked up I lunged him and then got on. Great! He even stood still for me to mount which he never does and we've been working on. As soon as we started walking you could tell he was nervous and ancey. We rode In between the paddocks so he had other horses around him. As soon as we rode passed my pasture he was being stubborn cause he wanted to go back but I pushed him passed it. We went and talked to my friend and he refused to stand still. Moving all around, wanting to walk, etc. So we kept walking around the property because I didn't want him to think just cause he was being an ass I was going to get off! So he was snorting at the lower barn with the tractors in it that he usually snorts at when we walk by it. But then he was snorting and trying to spook at a pipe laying near one of the paddocks. Ok. So I pushed him passed it and all was ok. Then as we were riding in between two fields one of the horses bucked next to us cause she was playing and he spooked (not bad) but jumped sideways a bit and looked so nervous. A few minutes later I ended up getting off cause I wanted to end the ride on a good note.

    I got off and out him back on the cross ties and after a few minutes he was quiet again! I also walked passed that "scary" pipe on our way back to the paddock and he didn't even bat an eyelash. I asked the old owner about this and she said he's feeding off of my nervous energy. But truthfully I wasn't even nervous until he spooked and I was a tad uneasy but nothing bad. To me it seemed like he may be testing me. And it was also his firsts time out alone since being with me. But, he always went out alone on trails at his old barn even with really green riders.

    So now I'm paranoid that he's going to turn into a nut horse who spooks at everything cause that's what has happened to me every time I've ever gotten a horse. I rode him the first few days he was with me and he was great. I was also in the ring, which he hates. For granted though, I haven't been able to work him much because of the weather and my work schedule and I'm sure he was used on trails and lessons almost everyday so he didn't have much energy to spare. Lol

    So currently I'm upset because I actually thought I found the perfect horse but after that ride I'm a tad upset! Maybe he needs time to settle but when I bring him to shows does that mean he's going to be a raging nut? I do have a trainer as well but haven't taken any lessons on him as to reasons stated above.

    I'm also fully aware that I've gotten there "problem" horse but I know a lot of people that use to ride him or that had ridden him once and I never heard a bad thing about him. One girl told my friend that he was the best horse they had there.

    So, what would you make of the situation.? Any tips or insight? Should I try returning him or see if he'll end up settling?

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        12-25-2012, 02:40 PM
      #2
    Weanling
    Maybe he had a different life before the lady you got him from got him ...Have you talked with her to see if he had these same problems when she first got him ? It may just come down to him getting used to the change , and realizing he can trust you . I think it will all work itself off , just give him some time and I am sure he will turn into that perfect horse you once fell in love with!
         
        12-25-2012, 02:49 PM
      #3
    Showing
    Try to think of things from the horse's perpective. Cross ties means it can't escape should a predator show up. You may find him more relaxed if you use a 12' lead rope and drape it over your elbow or shoulder. It's a little awkward at first but you can learn how to tack up like this. No crossties when the farrier comes. It's best if you are there to hold the horse. All my farriers prefer to work outside as it's safer for them. One boarder's mare started to rear, testing. I put the lunge line on her and had the whip handy. The next time she popped up I chased her out on the lunge and made her hustle at the trot for 3 circles. She tried again and again she was lunged for 3 circles. End of issue. Next time your farrier comes tell him what you plan to do and he'll likely be willing to go along if it will make it easier for him. The horse may need to do a third set of circles, never a fourth. By then it has figured out it is easier to cooperate than get the extra work.
         
        12-25-2012, 02:51 PM
      #4
    Green Broke
    I have realized that I think someone mistreated him at one point. He can be weird about his mouth being touched. That's on and off but we've been working on it. He was a ranch/cow horse I was told in Virginia. I just found out today that he was super nervous in her barn until he settled in, which took a few months for him to settle. Before I found that out I thought maybe he was just testing me so I started correcting him which only made the issue worse and I brushed it off as bad behavior. So I honestly think he's just petrified due to a bad experience. I'm hoping it all goes away as he settles more. I just worry that since its taking this long for him to settle he may be a wreck at the shows. Lol.
         
        12-25-2012, 02:55 PM
      #5
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Saddlebag    
    Try to think of things from the horse's perpective. Cross ties means it can't escape should a predator show up. You may find him more relaxed if you use a 12' lead rope and drape it over your elbow or shoulder. It's a little awkward at first but you can learn how to tack up like this. No crossties when the farrier comes. It's best if you are there to hold the horse. All my farriers prefer to work outside as it's safer for them. One boarder's mare started to rear, testing. I put the lunge line on her and had the whip handy. The next time she popped up I chased her out on the lunge and made her hustle at the trot for 3 circles. She tried again and again she was lunged for 3 circles. End of issue. Next time your farrier comes tell him what you plan to do and he'll likely be willing to go along if it will make it easier for him. The horse may need to do a third set of circles, never a fourth. By then it has figured out it is easier to cooperate than get the extra work.

    I was holding him for the farrier and he wasn't on the cross ties but was in the grooming stall. He was also in a stall before the farrier came so he was worked up. Next time he comes I'm going to ask to trim him outside as I think the issue will be resolved right there. The old owner said was awesome for the farrier too but ya know, that could be a load of BS. Well see. I'll probably see if one of the other farriers will be at the barn anytime soon to just give him a quick rasp as we tried hurrying when we did his feet last as he was NOT happy.
         
        12-25-2012, 05:35 PM
      #6
    Weanling
    I say he just has trust issues then . Let him get settled and know that you aren't going to hurt you and I would think once you get his trust all will be well . I don't know about the shows though , he may surprise you once he settles down there and be a gem at the shows, or he may act the same way he does there right now . Only time will tell !
         
        12-25-2012, 08:18 PM
      #7
    Yearling
    STORY TIME!

    When I got my horse, almost a 2 year old, she was very quiet at the barn and EXTREMELY quiet when her old owner, Joe, handled her. When he lunged her she would walk, jog, lope with ease and he barley had to do a thing.

    So we did buy her. When I got her I could barley get her to lope on the lunge, and if she did lope it'd be an insane crazy almost 'slow in the head' lope. She was jumpy, etc. Total opposite of what I bought.

    So I got to know her. I stopped doing everything and just went to the pasture, groomed, etc. I didn't do anything else for awhile, I just wanted to get to know her. I did some Join-Up method with her and I did some Clinton Anderson methods with her.

    Within a week she was so calm and doing everything what I saw when I got her.

    So what I'm trying to say is that your horse is new to you and your new to your horse, he's going to get scared because he doesn't know you! You need to take the role as the leader in your relationship, stop working, just groom him and get to know him. Put him in the arena (if you have one) and just pet him and love him.

    That is how relationship grows.

    Eventually he will be that horse that you bought, but you need to give him time to know you and you to know him.

    Good luck!
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        12-25-2012, 09:16 PM
      #8
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheAQHAGirl    
    STORY TIME!

    When I got my horse, almost a 2 year old, she was very quiet at the barn and EXTREMELY quiet when her old owner, Joe, handled her. When he lunged her she would walk, jog, lope with ease and he barley had to do a thing.

    So we did buy her. When I got her I could barley get her to lope on the lunge, and if she did lope it'd be an insane crazy almost 'slow in the head' lope. She was jumpy, etc. Total opposite of what I bought.

    So I got to know her. I stopped doing everything and just went to the pasture, groomed, etc. I didn't do anything else for awhile, I just wanted to get to know her. I did some Join-Up method with her and I did some Clinton Anderson methods with her.

    Within a week she was so calm and doing everything what I saw when I got her.

    So what I'm trying to say is that your horse is new to you and your new to your horse, he's going to get scared because he doesn't know you! You need to take the role as the leader in your relationship, stop working, just groom him and get to know him. Put him in the arena (if you have one) and just pet him and love him.

    That is how relationship grows.

    Eventually he will be that horse that you bought, but you need to give him time to know you and you to know him.

    Good luck!

    Thank you. :) I guess the point of my thread was to see other people's experiences with this. Every horse I've gotten was "quiet" then turned into a wacko. But, I knew his previous owner and people who rode him and they all loved him and nobody ever complained about him. I guess I'm just nervous that he will end up as all those other horses I've always had..

    I will totally do as you suggested. Some days that's all I do and you can tell he loves it. I haven't really ridden him much anyway since I've gotten him but I will make it a point to groom him and spend more 1 on 1 time with him.
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        12-25-2012, 09:40 PM
      #9
    Yearling
    In February, I bought a "been there, done that" retired polo pony as my first horse. I am an older beginner rider that had been hurt badly on two occasions with green horses, so I wanted a quiet, reliable trail horse.

    When I went to see Isabella, both times she was super quiet and a dream to ride. Both in the arena and on the trail.

    When I bought her and brought her to the boarding facility, she was not the same horse. She refused to move. When I would get her to move she would turn and bolt back to the barn. When I would mount, she would swing her head back and act like she was going to bite. She spooked at everything...even piles of poop on the ground.

    I blamed lots of things....maybe she was getting used to her new home. Maybe she was drugged when I rode her before I bought her. Maybe she was in pain.

    Ater a couple of months, I was still very limited in how much I could ride her. Vet checked her out and all was good. Teeth were floated. Saddle fit properly.

    Turns out, she was acting that way because she sensed my hesitation. I had no confidence at all. I took confidence building lessons on her with a no nonense type trainer. I needed someone to teach me to "cowgirl up" and learn how to be the leader my horse needed me to be. She showed me how senstive horses are to our body language. They can feel any hesitation or lack of confidence while sitting in the saddle. Even if I thought I was feeling confident, if I showed any hesitation, she would act up.

    To make a long story short, in a couple of months, I finally had the horse that I had wanted. We learned to trust each other. We are still working on things. She still tries to bolt back to the barn sometimes but it is amazing how far we have come. Today we were in the round pen, and I was riding bareback and wanted to just ride around the farm. I asked my hubby to come over and unlatch the round pen gate so I didn't have to dismount.

    He told me to do it myself, he wasn't being mean. He knows that Isabella and I should be at a point where I can open a gate while mounted. Heck, I did it on a judged trail ride in September but I had never attempted to open THAT gate. He said, " make it happen" and as soon as he said that, I felt my confidence soar and I did it...with no issues at all. Isabella stood patiently while I unlatched it and when I felt her think about pushing through it, I was firm in telling her to whoa and she stood while I pushed it all the way open.

    So,basically I am saying to give it time. You both need to learn to trust each other and if you can find someone to give you confidence tips, you may be amazed at how quickly you will see improvement. Good luck!
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        12-25-2012, 10:34 PM
      #10
    Yearling
    I'll second the suggestions. First, on the trailering. Do good things happen when he goes for a trailer ride? When I started riding Ellie this spring, she was almost impossible to get into the trailer - had to use a long line running through the tiedown with my partner holding it to keep her from jumping right back out - I think because for the years of her recuperation (and who knows what before) she'd only been trailered to go to the vet, or do other unpleasant things. Over the summer, as she learned that a) she gets treats when she loads, and b) gets to go for a nice trail ride after the trailer ride, she's gotten to where she hops right in and stands politely.

    I'd say the same about cross-ties, too - not that I've ever seen them used. Ellie and my friend's other horses are just held with a halter & lead rope out in the corral, and stand patiently for normal trimming & shoeing. So how would you feel if you were tied up and some strange man started messing around with your hands & feet? Not too happy, I expect So why should a horse be any different?
         

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