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Reading some of the posts I feel like i learned horses the wrong way lol

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        09-30-2013, 12:01 PM
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    Foal
    Reading some of the posts I feel like i learned horses the wrong way lol

    I came to this forum looking for more information on horse care and reading through the posts here have made me feel like I was brought up on horses all wrong.
    My first lesson horse was a calm sometimes black mare who was a fast mover
    one month after starting lessons I got my first lease horse, a fresh off the track tb who was still learning english commands, then I went for lessons on a cranky B**** of a qh mare who wouldn't do anything unless she wanted to do it. Who I was also to big for. Next I went on a part draft who would constantly go lame and be unrideable half the time. He was pretty calm but sometimes needed extra poking in order to move and do what you wanted, after that I went on to a young green to any riding stallion, I was the first to get a successful full ring multi lap canter out of him. When going to get a horse of my own no one has said I should stick with getting a fully trained older horse that is well ridden, they all thing that getting a younger horse to train it how I want it is a good option which from what I have seen allot of you do not.
    I have never had/seen a horse that has seen a chiropractor, no one I know has seen a saddle fitter to get the perfect tack for their horse, no one has had a heated barn or arena, no one fed supplements to anything but pregnant or senior animals, there were minimal vet visits and often times self diagnostics and medicating were done, and everything turned out fine.
    I know there are allot of ways to work with and keep horses but I have never seen any of this stuff where you need to go into horses gently, when my mom rode she was lucky to have a saddle let also lessons or a "proper" fit of a horse to learn on.
    I just figured I would comment on something interesting I found while looking at this forum. Feel free to share your thoughts and ideas,
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        09-30-2013, 01:52 PM
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    Weanling
    Well, I guess you've been lucky. Of course, I doubt many of the folks on here have heated barns and arenas. My own horses have never seen a chiropractor, and I don't tend to feed my horses at all unless they are working. Right now everybody is fat (too fat, really), on pasture. People get into horses all different ways and there is no shortage of advice, good AND bad. If you have "never seen any of this stuff where you need to go into horses gently" I wonder who you've been learning from, as that is a pretty universal attitude.
         
        09-30-2013, 01:56 PM
      #3
    Yearling
    We all started out in different ways. Some good, some bad. The thing that matters now is that whether or not we are willing to learn a better way than what we know.
         
        09-30-2013, 02:08 PM
      #4
    Showing
    Knowledge has also expanded a ton in recent years, and learning has become more accessible through the internet. And some people are plain willfully ignorant, even on this forum. And luck has a lot to do with it. You can have person A who spares no expense and ensures their horse is in a safe environment.. And the horse can get horribly injured in a freak accident that has a one in a million chance of happening. Then you can have person B who has their horse in one strand of saggy barbed wire, store their rusty car shells and other sharp objects in the pen, and the horse will live till 40 without seeming to need a vet. You also get some horses who will put up with anything, and others who complain if their saddle pad isn't just so.
    The key is to learn as much as you can and start to differentiate between the good and the bad. And when you learn that something you're doing isn't the best practice, to be willing to change instead of sticking your head in the sand.
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        09-30-2013, 02:18 PM
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    I am sure there are a lot of people who learned from the school of hard knocks, as it sounds like you did and still are, perhaps. That's ok, but you put a green rider on a green horse and the likelihood of injury is high. You do all your learning by experimentation , by trial and error, and you may learn some great lessons, but the horse will also be affected. Very experienced horsemen say that we "ruin" several horses in our lifetime, while we are learning to NOT ruin them. The more you can learn from others' experience, the less you have to "ruin" a horse by reinventing the wheel yourself, so to speak.
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        09-30-2013, 02:27 PM
      #6
    Weanling
    This site makes me feel stupid sometimes. IMO I have an extensive knowledge of horses, but on here I feel I literally know nothing. It's an interesting experience, sometimes a downer, but some of the members are nice and helpful. I have learned quite a bit here, though, and appreciate the members that were kind.
         
        09-30-2013, 03:37 PM
      #7
    Green Broke
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    fresh off the track tb who was still learning english commands, then I went for lessons on a cranky B**** of a qh mare who wouldn't do anything unless she wanted to do it. Who I was also to big for. Next I went on a part draft who would constantly go lame and be unrideable half the time. He was pretty calm but sometimes needed extra poking in order to move and do what you wanted, after that I went on to a young green to any riding stallion, I was the first to get a successful full ring multi lap canter out of him. When going to get a horse of my own no one has said I should stick with getting a fully trained older horse
    I rode a half broke, 17.2hh proud cut draft cross and fell off 7 times before calling it quits. I was 7 and riding bare back without supervision. I took a handful of lessons, then we couldn't afford them. I rode my behind my cousins on their horses(double, full speed, through the brush, jumping logs) until I was 13, then we rode by ourselves. We couldn't lift the saddles on until 14, so we rode bareback. At 14 we rode in saddles several sizes too large, not cinched tight enough, with stirrups we couldn't reach, full speed in treacherous terrain, sometimes jumping logs as high as 4 feet, on the same half broke, 17.2hh draft crosses. We weren't strong enough to stop them, so we just rode through whatever happened.
    Then I bought my first horse, a neglected yearling. My first broke horse I purchased last year, all the others I broke myself. I went from half wild draft crosses to rangy ranch horses and ottb's straight off the track.

    I followed none of the rules. I have scars to prove I learned the hard way. I would NEVER teach any one the way I learned. While some people learn well the hard way, and bounce back from falls, and learn from difficult horses far above their skill level, many people do not. As well, you have to factor in the horses, packing a beginner is hard on any horse, which is why people suggest getting one that is well trained and forgiving, and thus better qualified to deal with your mistakes.

    Don't get me wrong, I think its important to ride various horses that test your skills in order to become a better rider, but people give the advice they do for a reason, less chance of fatalities, injuries and ruined horses that way.

    As far as well fitting saddles, and chiro, horses are pretty good at hiding pain, and the ones that arnt often become notorious as 'bad' horses, rearers or broncs, when a simple saddle change or chiro appointment would fix the issue. People want their horse to work willingly, to the best of its ability, and not in pain. We now have simple ways to make that possible, why not use them?
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        09-30-2013, 03:56 PM
      #8
    Yearling
    In my opinion I don't believe there's necessarily a wrong way to learn horses. I feel like there can be some harder ways or more... painful ways. I look at all this information on this forum as just more knowledge to add to your repertoire and have a back up plan if yours doesn't go according to plan! I've never used chiropractors, or saddle fitters but I believe so long as you know your horse you will know when they're in pain and/or what to do. I've also self medicated and all my horses are still alive and standing.

    Hey at least learning the hard way made you a better rider! ;)
         
        09-30-2013, 04:03 PM
      #9
    Yearling
    I also think it depends on where you live and culture. Being in rural Oklahoma there are no lesson stables or training barns here. If you want to learn to ride you go out to the pasture get a horse and get on. You learn from your friends, relatives and experience. Of course this is western riding, I don't know what would happen if someone pulled out an English saddle!

    We are lucky to have some pretty good trainers that have retired here. I am aware of trainers that were in halter shows, western pleasure shows, manager of breeding barns for race horses, trainers for breaking horses and teaching riders, but they retired and do not flaunt their past as most here would not understand.
    In our small little area we have had professional team ropers, calf ropers and barrel racers. I know the barrel racer is still around teaching the new girls at the jack pots, but no formal facility.

    It may be culture, tradition or preference on how each of us learn to ride and care for our horses but I think we are all in it for the same reason, we love it and want what is best for our horses. And I think we all want to learn or we wouldn't be on HF.
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        09-30-2013, 04:08 PM
      #10
    Foal
    I totally understand what you are saying, (we have only owned horses for just under 10 years) but I grew up around them all my life. In our area, rural and no dispensable income, people did what they could. The older people knew how to care for their horses and assist in their medical care. In our area in central Alabama there was a single traveling 'large animal' Vet. That was it. He came around maybe every 4 - 5 months. You had to learn how to care for your animals, there wasn't a choice.
    I think horse care has evolved BUT some of the evolution has not been great. I don't remember ever hearing of all these hoof problems all those years ago... seldom did you hear of a horse with feet problems. ( I only remember one horse that got into feed and foundered, and yes they put her down) that was almost 50 yrs ago. They felt it the most humane thing to do.
    I am happy for our innovations in care for the most part, but I do understand your point. Happy trails!
         

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