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post #21 of 36 Old 02-28-2011, 11:00 PM
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That's a good point. Didn't some eventer (Amy Tryon or someone?) take a horse to the Olympics that she bought for like $2000 or something? I think he was like, some TB doing trail rides or something random like that.

Then again, that to me is like saying any pony could do the Rolex just because Teddy O'Conner could. The reason he's so famous is because it's so rare efor it to happen.
Honestly, I think eventers could take anything with a decent amount of talent and make it work for them to a certain extent. But again...that cheap horse isnt going to be very common at the upper levels of competition. Its going to be that rare horse (pony) that does it.

Anyone could get lucky and find a steal of a horse that actually had talent. Getting the most out of it however would also have to be part of the equation of right training/trainer, and rider.


Supposedly the lesson horse I currently ride was a Maclay horse. We think that he was in an accident at some point because he has a few scars on his chest. But my barn also has a horse that a top level rider was working with for a while, and he somehow ended up in some random farmers field.

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post #22 of 36 Old 02-28-2011, 11:17 PM
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It may just be me, but for a horse that has been there and done that, has proven himself a winner, AND is kid/beginner safe, that is worthy of a pretty big price tag. I could never afford a horse like that but if people have the money and are looking for a horse that their kid can win on, more power to them.

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It may just be me, but for a horse that has been there and done that, has proven himself a winner, AND is kid/beginner safe, that is worthy of a pretty big price tag. I could never afford a horse like that but if people have the money and are looking for a horse that their kid can win on, more power to them.
Like i said, I never said he wasn't! But I agree, if I had the money I'd but one too.
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post #24 of 36 Old 02-28-2011, 11:42 PM
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My friend's Maclay gelding is worth about $200k. The hunter world is isane. Local shows only for me, thanks. :)
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thats crazy! I'd love to ride that horse...
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Top horses in their sports are extremely high priced. It is not unusual to see competitive hunters in the A circuit to start at $50,000 for a cheaper horse that may not pin at every show. For the winning horses, you're looking at upwards of hundred thousand or more. Jumpers its much the same story, getting into hundreds of thousands for an international horse.
The prices don't shock me at all.
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It may just be me, but for a horse that has been there and done that, has proven himself a winner, AND is kid/beginner safe, that is worthy of a pretty big price tag. I could never afford a horse like that but if people have the money and are looking for a horse that their kid can win on, more power to them.
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AB and smrobs make some great points, as did upnover.

Here's an example of scary A rated hunter math:

How do you get a made Junior hunter?

Find a classic, typey, 4 year old that jumps in good form and has the scope and ability to jump a 3'6" course. Pay $15 - 20,000. for a good one that has some local show miles and established lead changes, more for one that's and extravagent mover or has extraordinary form over fences.

Campaigning a horse seriously in the As costs 20 - 30K a year in entry fees, hauling, coaching, lessons, stabling, board at home, etc. That figure will be higher if you make it to indoors and do one of the big year end shows. Campaign your horse one year in the unrated divisions, one year as a first year green and then one year as a Junior Hunter. If the horse is successful in that year as a Junior Hunter, you now have approximately $110,000. minimum invested in your horse. $137K allows for a very modest profit and a couple of commissions. And really, that's not a made or a top Junior Hunter, that's a horse that can do the job with one year's mileage in that division. Want a horse with an established record? Pay more. Want a horse that's really a packer and can do it without much help from the rider? Pay more.

Want one that's pinned well at indoors? Pay more.

Want one that can also do the Eq? Bring another check book.

Yes, it's crazy, and yes, $137K is more (much more) than I paid for my first house. But it is the reality. And as showing gets more expensive, horses with legitimate show mileage get coorespondingly more expensive.

BTW, comparing QH hunters and USEF hunters isn't really a valid comparison; they are judged very differently.

ETA: I went back and read the ad and looked at the photos; couldn't view the video at work. If he's as the ad represents, then the price is more than fair. Still crazy, but not unfair.

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AB and smrobs make some great points, as did upnover.

Here's an example of scary A rated hunter math:

How do you get a made Junior hunter?

Find a classic, typey, 4 year old that jumps in good form and has the scope and ability to jump a 3'6" course. Pay $15 - 20,000. for a good one that has some local show miles and established lead changes, more for one that's and extravagent mover or has extraordinary form over fences.

Campaigning a horse seriously in the As costs 20 - 30K a year in entry fees, hauling, coaching, lessons, stabling, board at home, etc. That figure will be higher if you make it to indoors and do one of the big year end shows. Campaign your horse one year in the unrated divisions, one year as a first year green and then one year as a Junior Hunter. If the horse is successful in that year as a Junior Hunter, you now have approximately $110,000. minimum invested in your horse. $137K allows for a very modest profit and a couple of commissions. And really, that's not a made or a top Junior Hunter, that's a horse that can do the job with one year's mileage in that division. Want a horse with an established record? Pay more. Want a horse that's really a packer and can do it without much help from the rider? Pay more.

Want one that's pinned well at indoors? Pay more.

Want one that can also do the Eq? Bring another check book.

Yes, it's crazy, and yes, $137K is more (much more) than I paid for my first house. But it is the reality. And as showing gets more expensive, horses with legitimate show mileage get coorespondingly more expensive.

BTW, comparing QH hunters and USEF hunters isn't really a valid comparison; they are judged very differently.

ETA: I went back and read the ad and looked at the photos; couldn't view the video at work. If he's as the ad represents, then the price is more than fair. Still crazy, but not unfair.
For your last statement, I don't think it's too far off. I have shown at both, and although I do better in the hunter shows, I do almost as well in the AQH world. I know girla who do both routes and have been successful in both. I don't think the judging is too completely different, although the hunters do seem a little more fair and more, hmm... Forgiving? QH judges judge by one mistake, and your out. But this is just my experiences, not the gospel(:
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I am just thankful that I lost my competitive drive years ago. I did some pretty heavy C-rated showing, and dabbled in the A's on a horse belonging to my trainer at the time, but it just wasn't for me. I'm much happier behind the scenes. And numbers like that make me see stars and break out into a cold sweat, so...

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I am just thankful that I lost my competitive drive years ago. I did some pretty heavy C-rated showing, and dabbled in the A's on a horse belonging to my trainer at the time, but it just wasn't for me. I'm much happier behind the scenes. And numbers like that make me see stars and break out into a cold sweat, so...
Ugh I can only imagine!!
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