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post #11 of 21 Old 09-11-2008, 08:25 PM
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That is what the bill of sale is for. Registered does NOTHING unless you plan on doing breed shows.
Actually it's not always true. For resale, serious buyers will always look for papered horses before they look at mutts. They also sell for more. A lot of higher end shows will not accept non-registered horses.

I personally own both a horse that is papered and one who isn't. When I bought my last horse, I was only going to settle for a papered horse with the idea of showing and selling the horse in the future.
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post #12 of 21 Old 09-11-2008, 09:47 PM
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Serious buyers should be looking at the horse, not the papers. If it's a gelding, what are papers going to get you besides entry into specific shows. Then it would be important. Which is what I said.

Unless it weighs a ton... it's just a horse. Draft horse motto.
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post #13 of 21 Old 09-11-2008, 09:57 PM Thread Starter
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what about if you get a qh, or app or paint and they have impressive in them, but they aren't registered. Do you just get them tested anyways and hope and pray for the best?
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I just bought a horse and she can be registered, BUT seeing as she is already a 3 year old it'd cost me a whopping $585 to register her, I don't plan on doing so. Unless you are going to show at breed shows, papers don't mean much.

Gosh, I guess if I was buying an Impressive-bred horse, I would think about having the test done.....papers or not wouldn't make any difference to me. If I could, I would get them tested.
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post #15 of 21 Old 09-12-2008, 12:37 AM Thread Starter
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well the thing is I don't know who his parents are. I'm waiting to hear back from his owner to see if she knows. It is only a $50 test and I have no problem buying a test kit. I personally don't want another Impressive horse. I already have one and am limited. I want to experienced the full thing of owning a horse.

What it really comes down to, is I don't care if he's registered or not. I don't plan on going to any breeds shows. Heck, i'm not even sure if I want to compete!
I'm just more concerned about not knowing who his parents are, and knowing if there are any hereditary diseases.

Is there any DNA test I could potentially do to determine who his parents are? He is 10 years old
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post #16 of 21 Old 09-12-2008, 01:18 AM
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My boy is registered but I know nothing of his parents. The original people listed on his papers aren't at that farm anymore so there's no way of contacting them (maybe if I join the association and find out that way).

I've never really thought of hereditary issues. With so many, there's no way to know unless they actually come down with 'something'.

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If I was to buy a horse and suspected that he/she had Impressive breeding, then a condition of sale would be the results of the test to be N/N, not N/H and certainly not H/H.

You can do all the DNA testing you want on an unregistered horse but unless there was something to compare it to it is useless.

Concerning registered vs unregistered, a good horse is a good horse and it comes down to his ability to fill his purpose for you. It comes down to suitability and money. We can argue all we want about the worth of having a registered horse but I do a LOT of horse trading and I go to a lot of auctions. A registered horse ALWAYS brings more money then one that isn't. I'm sure there are a lot of people who will say that they bought an unregistered horse for a lot of money and it was the best deal they ever made. I just wish I could find those people when I want to sell one.

The horse you are going to look at may just be the perfect horse for you and if so I would certainly buy him. I would not pay more for him then I would pay if he was registered. Papers bring more money.

If your fiancÚ's concern is theft then you have some really good advise about that. Just know your seller, get a bill of sale that describes his markings, get a Coggins, talk to their vet if possible, etc.

Good luck!

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Thank You so much everyone.
It made me realize how important papers can be!

If they don't know his parents, I think I still might do the hypp test. That's the one I'm most concerned about.

My fiance and I were just talking about this, and I asked him if Gem didn't have papers, would you love him any less? Would you not have bought him if he didn't have papers? And he said that it didn't bother him and that yes he would have bought Gem.
I think he's just concerned about me getting a horse, falling in love with it, and then something, out of our control happens and we no longer have the horse (not due to sickness or injury)

I have this gut feeling that this qh is the one for me. At first I was set on getting him, wanted him no matter what. Then because I didn't sell Vega, my range had to drop $1,000. But then it's like its meant to be.. the owner will come down to 2k for him. And Hopefully within the next week, I'll be going down there to see him. I can't wait!

Thanks again to everyone! You've all helped out immensely!
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OT a little but, If Tom is concerned about theft. A freeze brand could be something you guys would want to look into. Pictures and documentation are always your best bet when proving ownership. A freeze brand doesn't always mean something like a huge Rocking V brand on the hip. You could do something as simple as 3 dots at the base of the mane. Photograph it and keep the printed photos in a packet with the coggins & other vet info. You will want to check in your area but I believe that when you are doing it for distinguishing marks it does not need to be a registered brand. Just like a scar can be use for identification if you have it photographed and documented. Just food for though. Good luck with your purchase!!!

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post #20 of 21 Old 09-12-2008, 11:38 AM Thread Starter
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Amy, I never thought of that! Thanks so much!!!
I think that is definitely something I will do.

Hmmm, maybe I can ask my BO when she wants to install all those cameras (she wanted to do it as a way that the owners could log in and see their horses) but it would be good in case anything ever happened.
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