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    09-08-2011, 11:30 AM
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Riding: "You either got it, or you dont" Discussion

Just like the title says. I've spent 7 years riding and throughout those 7 years have seen people who have taken lessons all their life and literally cannot ride properly to save their life, yet I've seen a small handful of others who, like me, have never taken lessons and are some of the best riders I've seen, and both scenarios go vice versa. This had led me to think that riding is like everything else, you either have the talent and natural ability to do it and do it good, or you don't and no matter how much training you have it will only get you so far. What are your opinions on this? This is a discussion so any and all opinions and views are welcome.
     
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    09-08-2011, 11:47 AM
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I am not sure it will be much of a discussion.

Yes, riding is like every other thing in life.

There are people that it comes naturally to and people that have to work really hard to do an adequate job.

What is there to discuss?
     
    09-08-2011, 12:00 PM
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Alwaysbehind said it best.
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    09-08-2011, 12:01 PM
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mls
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Originally Posted by starkon16    
yet I've seen a small handful of others who, like me, have never taken lessons and are some of the best riders I've seen
"Like me" ?

So you are considering yourself one of the best riders?

Even the 'best' riders and trainers take lessons, attend clinics and seminars to expand their knowledge and abilites. The world of horses is an infinite ocean of knowledge.
     
    09-08-2011, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
There are people that it comes naturally to and people that have to work really hard to do an adequate job.
Not to mention, no one is so naturally gifted that they can go without some professional instruction to hone their skills, especially someone who thinks they're talented enough to become a trainer.
     
    09-08-2011, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mls    
"Like me" ?

So you are considering yourself one of the best riders?

Even the 'best' riders and trainers take lessons, attend clinics and seminars to expand their knowledge and abilites. The world of horses is an infinite ocean of knowledge.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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    09-08-2011, 12:43 PM
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yet I've seen a small handful of others who, like me, have never taken lessons and are some of the best riders I've seen.
What someone calls "great rider" to me may be a beginner not nearly being a "good rider", and who I'd never even let close to my horse.

You (general you) don't claim yourself being a "great rider" (especially when the person really IS a great rider). The achievements and well-trained horses do.
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    09-08-2011, 12:49 PM
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Yes, to some degree there needs to be some raw ability. However raw talent alone will not make a "great rider".

To be truly great one needs to immerse one's self in learning & training to become better and never stop. I think when you quit trying to better yourself you become a passenger not a rider.
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    09-08-2011, 12:59 PM
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No, I don't agree.

The best riders I've ever seen all have years, if not decades, of lessons, studying and mentoring to bring to them to that level.

And how do you define "best" - by competition results? You won't find very many self taught riders at the higher levels of competition. Training results? I think good trainers have to have input from a variety of different sources and even different disciplines, so I can't think of any really terrific entirely self taught trainers either.

Certainly I've seen people with natural talent, and learning core skills is easier for them than for folks without it, but I've seen both be types be successful, it's just easier for those with the gift of natural talent.

The one point of agreement we do have is this:
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seen people who have taken lessons all their life and literally cannot ride properly to save their life
Yes, I've seen those people too, but my opinion is their problem is one of several things: 1.) anthropormorphization - ascribing human qualities to the horse, rather than learning how a horse thinks and reacts. People who think it's "mean" to discipline a horse, and bring them extra carrots so the horse will like them and take that canter lead; or people who are unwilling to be the boss 2.) poor instruction. Most typical is the negative method - students ride around in a circle and are told "Heels down!" "Don't slouch." "Don't get in his mouth!" but are never shown what they should be doing, given a positive model to emulate or have skills broken down into teachable steps. It's amazing that anyone ever learns to ride under this method and 3.) complete lack of fitness, athletic ability, timing or feel. Rare, but it does happen.
     
    09-08-2011, 01:01 PM
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Almost every great sports person (in any sport) still works with a coach.

I cannot think of one single great rider that I know who would declare themselves as such, as they still know people who ride better than they do.
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