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post #1 of 20 Old 02-01-2013, 11:12 PM Thread Starter
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rope halter w/ points?

I'v never used rope halters before and want some insight on them.....which rope halter to go with... one w/ just nose points or one with nose and poll points for a stubborn horse?

Problem: we got a gelding and he just backs excessively, he is reining breed and very very smart, when we first got him he pulled back a few times while tied and broke 3 different leads.we tried to trailer him a few weeks ago and he just backed, shoer came out a week ago and he just backed, and then yesterday while i was trying to lounge he just backed. i would eventually get him going but then if he wanted to stop and i tried to push him forward he would just back. we got him in october, and he already had this issue slightly, but it wasn't as bad as now, unfortunately we didn't do any ground/respect work with him when we got him, he is awesome to ride and doesn't do the backing while being ridden unless asked, just from the ground.
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post #2 of 20 Old 02-01-2013, 11:22 PM
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The halter isn't the issue. Ground work and manners are. A rope halter breaks too. Cheap nylon halters break. A good nylon halter won't break. But that's not what you really want. Nose knots on a rope halter will do nothing for setting back. I've never used or seen in person a rope halter with knots on the pole. May i suggest you work with this horse in hand? We honestly dealt with our pony being like that, among other issues, and ground work has her as a dream. For a pony lol.
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When Scrat was 4......he wanted to back. He only pulled the stunt a few times before he got tired of backing.

If he wants to back, BACK HIM UP, and back him up hard not just a little "oh horse nice and easy back up". A stern and a few jerks on the halter and make him think backing on his terms isn't so much fun.

I backed Scrat around our arena and after a few times he got tired of backing everywhere and every direction.
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I know he needs ground work and i plan on doing that when the weather gets better to see if it solves the issue,we haven't even been able to ride in almost 2 months and i know that is part of the issue too,
i was just reading some online reviews of the halters and alot said they helped some for stubborn horses, and he is...... I have just never used rope halters ever before and it seems like now they are all the rage!
Also i'v done the backing or at least tried which i think with his mind helped make it worse. fortunately he is a dream in the arena will do whatever you ask even on lead(except jogging, he is lazzzy). it is outside the arena that he has the problem and i'v tried the intense backing but either i run out of room or he stops in is tracks and won't move even if i use a quirt or jerk on the halter or whatever...... so i think i helped make the problem worse.
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another reason why i was thinking rope halter to give me a little extra edge in his fits!
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post #6 of 20 Old 02-01-2013, 11:51 PM
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Ok, since he's a smarty pants! Put a bum rope on him and tug his butt forward EVERYTIME he tries to back up.....make sure it's made out of thinner rope so it has some 'bite' to it.......make it not so nice to be going backwards at his own willing....
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like another post said, if he wants to back.....back him up aggressively and stop when you want to, not when he wants to. It does sound like a respect thing going on, with winter my horses have been off for over 2 months now too and I'm sure I will have to give them a tune-up come spring.......I've used rope halters for at least 8yrs. now and love them, for pulling while tied I use the aussie tie rings which has helped a couple horses with pulling back issues too.....

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I'm probly gonna say a few things you won't like and if so feel free to ignore me. First and foremost (to me) get out of the arena. It's a pen and the horse knows that. Though the pen would be a place to start. As far as backing and being able to keep him moving, you're not applying enough pressure. And by that I dont me on the halter, in him, make him move! You can't just stop and say, oh I can't move him, whoop his ass with the lead. Make him move. Stay off the face and neck but MAKE him move. He moves, walk off forward. Then ask again. Ughhh I suck at typing training. He tries to walk in front, take that lead to him and back him up. Stop, walk, stop, walk, back up, walk. But don't look at him. Expect him to do it, If he don't, make him back. Don't be nice. He won't be if he's had enough hen pecking. Run outta room and are against the fence? Even better, if his eyes are on you and he's listening. Example, the other day I got the wise idea to back my 5yr old through the gate, that was barely open, he backed to against the pole and started pushing it over before I noticed he'd been backed against it by me. My fault but he did what I asked. I hope that makes sense. I suck at typing my thoughts.
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Mine wasn't nearly as bad as yours but I would stand at his shoulder with the lead in one hand and a longer dressage whip in the other. I would face forward and if he didn't move forward or wanted to back up, I would use my left hand with the whip and give him a good swat. It must have made an impression with him, as it only took a few times to get the point across. However, my next step would have been making him run backwards fast and hard and stop when I said so.
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Muppet girl..... I am assuming you mean a butt rope right?, i have done this when trying to load, he does not like them at all, we have tried to use them and he just backs harder and faster and adds in rearing and throwing himself over.....but i have not tried it with thin rope, i'v tried it with lead lines and lariats.....maybe i'll try thin rope instead.
thunderspark... i had a friend that mentioned them and she said she had one horse that nothing worked for except that ring...
Phly... getting out of the arena is impossible my daughter has very little time now to get him somewhat ready before show season,....he has good manners on lead when it comes to following/stoping/backing/turning .....except for when HE doesn't want to do something he backs, and i have wooped him with the lead, quirts, bats,hand, lounge whip ect ect and he just plants his feet, and i know it is my fault cause he usually does it just my luck where there is no room, and i have backed him in to fences/post/hay barn/ the house/trees.....when he stances and won't move i usually try to switch to circles/hind quarters real fast to at least keep the feet moving. he even backed into my neighbors truck the other day as they where driving down the rode.
Mochachino......I use the lounge whip and i think it was part of the prob.....yesterday when i picked up the whip and started lounging he kept backing. and when we where trying to load a week before that i got the same reaction when i picked it up , maybe i should do some desensitizing with it?
Thanks everyone for the input, Hopefully once the weather gets a little warmer i can start on this annoying problem..... if you got more thoughts about the rope halters or more ideas keep them coming,
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