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        09-12-2013, 03:38 PM
      #1
    Weanling
    Scary buying/selling experiences, anyone?

    With the world being such an unsafe place now, I am wondering if any of you have had any unsettling experiences either looking at horses to buy or sell? I had a friend years ago, who went to this place that gave trail rides, pony parties, and hay rides. She went there to give them some free pigs, and she took a friend with her. A man in his early 20's let them in, and locked the gate behind them, he then began blocking them in with tractors and other machinery. They were terrified, had no cell phones with them, and saw no way out, until a truck arrived to deliver feed and hay, and they were able to leave. There are people out there who will come out just to case your place, I would just like to caution everyone to put safety first anytime you advertise anything or go looking to buy.

    And, BTW, the man who blocked them in later went to jail for several sexual assaults, and is a suspect in the deaths of several teenage girls.
         
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        09-12-2013, 04:35 PM
      #2
    Yearling
    Well, my story isn't anything like that one, or near as frightening (it isn't even my story..) but a lady at my barn recently bought a horse that (we're pretty sure) was drugged when she went to look at her. The mare was already saddled both times (big red flag) and apparently very calm and quiet for the rides.

    Turns out she has a real saddling problem, like, mad run knocking people over and putting them at risk bad. It's a horrible situation, and now they have a trainer working with her so that someone much more advanced that wants to take on a project might consider her. No bueno situation.
         
        09-12-2013, 04:51 PM
      #3
    Yearling
    I haven't had anything quite so scary but when ever I go to look at a horse (if I don't know the seller) I always take some one with me just in case. You just can't be too safe.

    On the other side of things I have gotten weird vibes from potential buyers and refused to sell them a horse. Quick story: A friend of mine was selling a paint gelding who was advertised as very green not a kids horse. A potential buyer came and said I want to buy this horse for my sons (9 yrs old) polo tournament this afternoon... yup that very day. She declined to sell them the horse.
         
        09-12-2013, 04:54 PM
      #4
    Started
    We always have the dogs in view, and never let a buyer think that no one will be home at any time.

    My BO has bought horses that were drugged at auction, including a mare that was supposed to be fully trained western, first level dressage and basic jumping. I went to get on her, and she fell over like she had been shot. After extensive vet and chiro appointments(all said she was fine) I tried again. Ground work went well, but when I got on her she reared. I did more ground work, and when she was responding well to all commands and being mounted, I got on. She was perfect, obviously very well trained. Suddenly mid ride she froze. I asked her to move forwards and got no reaction. Suddenly, with no warning she flipped over backwards, thankfully flinging me clear, smashing her saddle and breaking my bridle. I think she must have had a brain tumor.
         
        09-12-2013, 04:55 PM
      #5
    Trained
    I'm really tired of going to someone's place to see a horse. You really DON'T know the horse's history.
    My three that I own right now were bought:
    (1) 15yo KMHSA mare (was 10yo), bought after my friend leased her for the 145th National Gettysburg CW Event, kept her on MY picket line with my 3 geldings. I got to watch her for 3 days and then bought her on the spot. She never put a step wrong.
    (2) 7yo KMH gelding (was 3yo) Bought from the breeder at farm after recommendations. A gentle giant. He's 16'3hh and reminds me that he's really "little" and delicate
    (3) 7yo QH (was 3yo) Bought from a local rescue. Trainer started him and he'd been handled by newbies. Loaded in their trailer in the pitch dark 2x. Just green, very friendly, no vices...except he'll grab ANYTHING with his teeth, like the fly spray bottle he demolished last weekend!

    My point: I'd look for trainers and see who THEY know that is training/showing/selling and avoid back yards altogether. Where you have a lot of horse people in one place you are much less likely to encounter perves.
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        09-12-2013, 05:17 PM
      #6
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    I've bought loads of horses from auctions - warranted and unwarranted in the UK and one here in the US. # of the horses I now have came form auctions and one of the others came from a dealer who'd just bought her from an auction
    I wouldn't say its what everyone should do because there are risks but I've bought just as bad horses privately for a lot more money
    Sad to say that horse buying and selling has always been full of unscrupulous liars. Its a Buyers Beware World.
         
        09-12-2013, 05:30 PM
      #7
    Yearling
    I had a recent possible episode but having the training I didn't even go into it. I called on two horses that were at the same location. What first had me questioning was the ad itself as the main write-up was grammatical and spelling correct while the contact info was garbled..bad grammar. The contact number was a Texas number but I know people don't always change cell numbers so at first it didn't make me question..what was strange is that each ad listed a different contact number. To make a very long story short, the reply I got back via e-mail (which was consistent in both ads) said "we are free this weekend to show you the Sean and Rome horses" which was a strange way of putting it. In trying to determine exact location I did a YouTube search for any video and discovered that at least one horse was listed for sale in a barn out of state. I called that barn and they said that their ads had been getting stolen and the horse was still at the barn (too far out of state to go see unfortunately as he was gorgeous :) )

    In the meantime I had e-mailed back a time for a meeting to see the horses (not having seen the video yet). The e-mail I got back was even stranger and said "so we have agreement that you come see the Sean and Rome horses at...."

    I ended up e-mailing back that I had found out about their little scam and had reported all their numbers and e-mail addresses to the ad site (who by the way never responded back and didn't remove the scam ads). Who knows what these people may have been cooking up. Possibly just a simple sale scam but could also be so much worse..and so easy.

    Especially in this day and age a drug panel is critical when purchasing. It can show calming agents and/or painkillers up to 10 days post administration. I didn't have a panel run on this new horse (avatar) as the owner was very up front about everything and I had seen the horse at his hyper worst. I still had blood drawn with a stipulation that if within the 2-week blood holding period (vet indicated they would hold it for that long), I could have the panel run at any time and if something came up that showed a negative issue, the horse would be returned for full purchase price....this was a pen addition to the contract. To be fair there was also a condition void date post the two-week holding period.

    On the flip side as a seller, even with my law enforcement training, I would never see potential buyers by myself.
         
        09-12-2013, 05:44 PM
      #8
    Yearling
    situations.

    If your going to buy a horse have it vetted and take some one with you and have it on loan for a few weeks as you can see the horse in its true pasona.
    And also if your going some were take a cell phone go with company and also arm your self with something ready for the unexpected.
    As the world to day is a bad place in some situations.
    So be ready and prepaired for the worse.
         
        09-12-2013, 05:48 PM
      #9
    Yearling
    If you go alone make sure you have a backup that knows where you are and when you arrive. Make an arrangement to call them at specified intervals (or they can call you), in order to check on progress and safety. Also call when you depart the location.
         
        09-12-2013, 05:50 PM
      #10
    Started
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    Its a Buyers Beware World.
    goes both ways. I have been selling horses for friends for years. I have had horrible experiences with buyers. One lady put a deposit on a yearling filly that was fairly reactive. I was honest with her, and explained that, as she was large and had never been loaded into anything but a stock trailer, It would be best for her to have her transported in a larger trailer, or show up with time to spare. She delayed weeks after the pick up date, called to say she would show up at 3pm on Sunday. She showed up at 10pm, in the dark, in a rain storm, with the smallest trailer I had ever seen. That went well, not.

    I have had plenty be rude, dishonest and unreasonable.
         

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