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    10-09-2010, 11:07 PM
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I'm going with Man O' War. I read Seabiscuits story which was really good, the version I read. I think it was by Walter Farley? Or it might have been by the guy that wrote Fury of Broken Wheel, I forget...

Anyway, I also read Man O' Wars story and Pharlaps. I never did read anything on Secretariat, I hear about him since he was born at Meadow Even Park which is where our state fair is held.

Man O' War is the one that impresses me the most, especially since he was forced to carry more weight then any other horse and still won by enormous distances. The only race he lost was because of a stumble and he almost caught the other horse.

He also won 2 I think of the 3 races for the triple crown. He didn't race one because his trainer felt it was too much strain on a young horse. So who knows, maybe he could have even bin a triple crown winner.

Race horse storys are so neat. These animals do have heart and they love what they do. It's a shame that most of them get "thrown away" when their careers are over. I'm just glad so many hunt folks take them on and give them new jobs.
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    10-09-2010, 11:20 PM
Alright- answers.
1. Yes, I've seen Ruffian. I completely lost it and couldn't function for about an hour afterwards. My mom thought I was nuts.

2. Worth seeing? Maybe. I suppose if you liked Dreamer, you'd really like it. I'm not a huge fan of Dreamer, but I loved Ruffian and thought Seabiscuit, so I guess it's up to you. My opinion was that while a good 'family' film, it focused more on Secretariat's owner than on Secretariat, and that's not what I look for when I go to see a horse movie.

3. I don't actually think there was a third question. :) Whoops. I'm so lazy I'm not going to delete the 3.
    10-09-2010, 11:30 PM
Hmmm...I am not sure; My toss up is between Phar Lap and Seabiscuit. Maybe that's because I'm a sucker for the ones who have come 'from behind' to become a champ...hahah...although, if Ruffian were thrown into the mix, now that would have been a race! Couple of awesome front runners, and a couple of come from behind greats? OMG! I'm not sure who I would bet on in that race! They were all fantastic!
    10-09-2010, 11:48 PM
Green Broke
I'm very eager to see it.

I have been a diehard Man O' War fan all my life. I think it really boils down to a Man O' War VS Secretariat when you're talking world's most famous/well known racehorses. It reminds me of Team Edward and Team Jacob, LOL.

I've read Walter Farley's version of Man O' War, and I think that's a huge factor. I'm extremely interested to see if Secretariat's story moves me to sway my opinion at all.

I also hold Man O' War in high regard because he was a good SIRE. Seabiscuit and Secretariat were freak flukes - Man O' War was the real deal. I measure the greatness of a horse not by what he is, but what he has done. Man O' Wars influence on the Thoroughbred breed is almost tangible - he was a magnificent racehorse, but he was a legendary sire.

Maybe they'll make a Man O' War movie next.
    10-10-2010, 12:45 AM
Me thinks Zenyatta will be made into a movie at some point...Lol!! Especially if she wins the BC classic again this year...
    10-10-2010, 08:17 AM
I'd love to see more racehorse movies- if they're done well. :) I still hold Ruffian as my favorite racehorse movie, don't ask me why. It just hits me so much harder than Seabiscuit or Secretariat.
    10-10-2010, 08:47 AM
Originally Posted by Redial    
I can;t watch horse movies...Black Beauty still turns me into a complete mess and he doesn't even die.
I know. It makes me cry every single time I watch it, from the first time I saw it in theaters (when I was about seven), till now.
    10-10-2010, 09:14 AM
Green Broke
I am not Australian, but I say Phar Lap! He was a freak, I love freaks.... farmpony84 argued that Man O' War Carried the most weight, 138 pounds but Phar Lap also carried 138 pounds :)

Out of curiousity I just looked up Phar Lap on Wikipedia and I didn't know that they actually have determined his cause of death with forensics.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
On 19 June 2008, the Melbourne Museum released the findings of the forensic investigation conducted by Dr. Ivan Kempson, University of South Australia, and Dermot Henry, Natural Science Collections at Museum Victoria. Dr. Kempson took six hairs from Phar Lap’s mane and analyzed them at the Advanced Photon Source at Argonne National Laboratory near Chicago. These high resolution x-rays detect arsenic in hair samples, showing the specific difference "between arsenic, which had entered the hair cells via the blood and arsenic, which had infused the hair cells by the taxidermy process when he was stuffed and mounted at the museum".[24][25]

Kempson and Henry discovered that in the 30 to 40 hours before Phar Lap’s death, the horse ingested a massive dose of arsenic. "We can't speculate where the arsenic came from, but it was easily accessible at the time," Henry said
So sad...
    10-10-2010, 10:54 AM
That's awful. Arsenic poisoning = not a fun way to die. :(

Is it assumed that it was an intentional poisoning because he was a great racehorse, or do people suspect an insurance fraud thing? (Sorry if I sound stupid, I literally know next to nothing about racehorses, famous or otherwise.)
    10-10-2010, 11:14 AM
Green Broke
I don't think they know that. As far as I know they suspect many different things from accidental poisoning to Mexican mafia killing him in fear that they would take losses in the illegal gambling ring. I don't think anyone will ever know.

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