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    05-07-2012, 01:52 PM
  #1
Weanling
Separating horses

If someone sells 2 horses to you as a package because they want to keep them together, should it be assumed that you keep them together for ever? Or are they yours to do as you please? One of the first things we did was separate them for a while so they wouldn't be so clingy. I don't really see it as an issue going forward other than we bought them from a friend of my wife. I'm not even sure what her expectations are as far as it goes. Just trying to figure out what a reasonable horse person would think. I know that she was really trying to sell them together when we bought them. It was fine with us because we were looking for 2 and they fit the bill. However, I am wanting to sell the 18 year old gelding because he just doesn't respect boundaries like I need having 2 young children. Any thoughts? My personal opinion is that they're mine and I can do as I please. My wife doesn't want to make her friend mad but she still hasn't given us the papers on the mare and that was 8 months ago.
     
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    05-07-2012, 02:51 PM
  #2
Green Broke
You want the legal or moral answer ? Legally once you bought em you bought em, Most buy back, strings attached clauses arnt legally enforceable even if they were in the contract. Was their a written contract ? If so going to depend on what is actually stated in the contract and your local laws. I suspect they are yours to do what you want with. You could hold a horse BBQ if you wanted not anything th eformer owner could do or say about it.

Morally what did you agree on ? Whats right is right. You know what you agreed on. What is your word worth ?
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    05-07-2012, 03:12 PM
  #3
Foal
Have the horses been paid for? If so the first thing I would do is get those papers transferred now. Even between friends too many things can go wrong when papers are held. If she sold the horses to you then you get the papers.

If one of them is not suitable for your situation with small kids then the best thing would be for the horse to find another home. If the person who sold them to you can't grasp that then that is their fault not yours. It is not worth a child getting hurt to spare someones feelings.

Like Joe said if they are yours then you can do whatever you want. Even if it is stated in a contract I'm not sure they can require you to keep them together once they are your property, but you may want to check with someone in your area about that. If you did agree to keep them together and feel bound by that then it may be best to return both of them and get a horse elsewhere.

If the sell is not complete then you may still want to get a contract written out. I am a big believer in getting it all on paper, it makes things much simpler. Even when I sold a horse to my then boyfriend I had him sign a contract, he thought it was crazy but it came in handy when we broke up. I had a two page contract but it doesn't have to be that in depth. Just a few lines typed up and signed by all involved. If they think you are questioning their word just tell them that you are ocd about keeping paperwork in order and it would drive you crazy not to have a receipt of a sort.
     
    05-07-2012, 03:14 PM
  #4
Trained
I agreed with Joe--they are now your property. Do as you wish. A horse that is a problem for you isn't pleasant, and you'll resent the horse. A horse that fits your needs can be a joy. After all of the work and $ spent on horse-keeping it shouldn't be your new job, too.
I guess if you promised your friend you'd keep them together than it's a friendship issue, unless there was a written, signed and notorized sale contract that defines use.
Once your relinquish ownership to a horse you relinquish your say-so, too.
     
    05-07-2012, 03:26 PM
  #5
Weanling
There is no contract verbal or written. I paid in full when I picked them up. I never said I'd make sure they always stay together or anything like that. I never would have, either. I have bought and sold alot of dogs but dogs don't usually come in pairs. Haha I don't like strings being attached to anything. The reason I ask is that my wife asked her for the papers on the mare and she made a statement along of the lines of "I hope they get sold together". The papers are on the one we haven't listed for sale. It's been since august when I bought them so that's plenty of time for her to round them up. I wasn't worried about the papers before but I'd like them in case we decide to sell her, too. In case, whoever buys her wants them.
     
    05-07-2012, 03:27 PM
  #6
Weanling
It should be noted that these 2 have been together since the younger one (12) was very young. However, they did fine when separated.
     
    05-07-2012, 06:21 PM
  #7
Foal
I think most people would feel better about selling their horse by know/thinking they're together. But I don't think you are obligated to keep them together.

My sister and I got a QH/?? (9yr) and an APHA gelding (3yr) and both were partially abused, though we didn't realize how bad at the time. But my sister still has the gelding, 5yr now, and he's actually her calvary horse. While I fixed up the mare and got her back into training. I sold her last year and she's a 4H horse now.

The gelding had been witht eh mare since he was a yearling. And the mare, imo, attached herself to him, because the only other 'companionship' she got was 'rides' once a year. And her rides included a harsh, misued bit, misued spurs, and whips. So we could have separated them and taken it very slow and they would have been good eventually, that's not why I sold her.
     
    05-07-2012, 07:37 PM
  #8
Yearling
If the previous owner was so adament that they stay together forever, she should have kept them herself.
In my opinion, you've had them for 8 months and one of them isnt working out, of course you can sell it. Sounds like you didnt make any promises.
Myself, I would never buy a horse or a vehicle from a friend or family member. Too many bad feelings or awkwardness if something goes wrong.
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    05-07-2012, 08:14 PM
  #9
Green Broke
I would offer to let her buy the one back maybe? Of if you feel like you can, just give him back. He will not bring much more than likely anyway.

If the one you don't want is sold, where do you think he will realistically end up? If he has issues, depending on what they are, and at his age, I imagine his end will not be a good one.

If you are okay with finding out later that he went to slaughter, then go ahead and sell him if you want, and your wife might as well kiss that friend goodbye.

Had you all not taken the horses, and I am sure that the prior owner thought they would be staying together, she might have found someone else who would have kept them together and to their natural demise.

In the end, it is up to you, and what you can live with.
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    05-07-2012, 10:00 PM
  #10
Trained
Horses are not pets. They are livestock. Once sold they are no longer in the control of the seller.
Horses are too expensive and live far too long to make promises about keeping them together. That demand is unreasonable. Shalom
     

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