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    02-07-2012, 04:58 PM
  #21
Trained
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    02-07-2012, 05:10 PM
  #22
Foal
I must admit the only time in my life I've experienced agression like that (and not even that severe!!!!) the horse was my own and had been rehabilitated into a wonderful loving horse but then got navicular and it was his way of telling me he was in agony? Has anyone got this horse properly checked out on pain front. My boy was put to sleep that week he had battled navicular for 4 years he was my life, and had been very well until he fractured that night he had no other way of telling me. Once this horse has been properly checked over to check for pain some serious decisions must be made by the owner, a horse this agressive could kill someone xxx
     
    02-07-2012, 07:15 PM
  #23
Weanling
I'm very surprised that the BO is tolerating this kind of behavior in her barn. I know that any decent barn I've been at had a clause in the contract that if the horse developed any bad ground manners, it was to be fixed asap by either the owner, or a trainer, otherwise the horse would have to leave the property.
This is a huge liability for her.
I feel very bad for the horse. I'm sure his owner is a nice person, but she doesn't seem to be the right one to try and 'save' this animal. He is probably miserable- no animal is happy when they are in a constant state of alertness and aggression.
I think this owner needs to know that she is not doing the horse any kindness by keeping him alive in this state of mind. The problem needs to be fixed, or he needs to be pts.
If it is truly an aggression issue, and not pain related, it will be a very difficult, if not impossible problem to fix, and something that should only be address and dealt with by an experience trainer who knows how to handle problem horses. I believe all animals deserve a second chance, but there are some animals out there that are not able to get better and the kindest thing to do for them is to put them to sleep.
I'm sure the owner would feel horrible if her horse attacked a child and caused permanent defiguration, or worse.
The BO needs to be blunt, and say either fix the problem somehow, or get him off the property.
Just my two cents. It must be difficult to sit by and watch all this happen, knowing there is not much you can do.
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    02-07-2012, 08:08 PM
  #24
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Only a fool would NOT be afraid of this horse. If you have any say in the matter, I would insist that he leave the property , one way or the other, because he is too dangerous to have around. If I owned that place he would be gone, yesterday.
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    02-08-2012, 03:30 AM
  #25
Weanling
Well I went there yesterday evening because my horse had pulled a shoe so I popped in to visit and this horse was in a lesson at the time...good as gold. I told the owner that he attacked me for no good reason on Sunday (in the presence of the BO who was teaching the lesson) and she just said "oh sorry I don't know what his problem is". And the other person in the lesson made the excuse that he does this around feed time and it's best to just stay out of his way. As I explained I was NOT in his way at the time, he chose to go out of his way to attack me. They sort of joked and said "you wouldnt think he is the same horse when he is in a lesson would you?"

He is definitely not in any physical pain. Im in the process of looking at other yards at the moment regardless because I feel my fees are a little high for what I get so if I find the right place I will move...not just because of this horse but also for my own well being and that of my horse. When I bought my horse everything went really fast and I needed somewhere to keep him asap and the other yard I wanted to take him to was full.

They seem to have no intention of trying to solve his problems from the ground and I really hope one day there is not an accident. And I really hope the owner stays as novice as she is and does not decide to ever take him to shows because it would be a dangerous idea.
     
    02-08-2012, 05:20 AM
  #26
Weanling
Just reading through this quickly, it sounds weird how he's good under saddle but bad on the ground... is it likely anyone would be mad enough to buy him if you could convince her to sell? Because she's obviously terrified (with good reason) but if he went to someone who had no fear and was experienced with this type of horse, just maybe he could at least end up with a decent quality of life. I know it is a really unlikely long shot, but it sounds like he's a mixture of scared and bossy.

... Or maybe I've just watched the Horse Whisperer too many times!!
     
    02-08-2012, 10:19 PM
  #27
Trained
Good luck in your barn search, MysticL. I think you are right -- that nothing will change where you are in regard to that horse. The only other option I could give out is if there is another turnout area, that the horse could be put out separately from the other horses, so other people are not endangered when they are in the paddock for their own horsey purposes.
     
    02-08-2012, 10:24 PM
  #28
Showing
Wow. Mystic, I hope you find a better place to keep your horse. You are right, with a horse like that, it's only a matter of time before someone gets killed.

Unfortunately, it often takes something that dramatic for naive people to pull their heads out of their butts.
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    02-09-2012, 04:37 AM
  #29
Weanling
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Wow. Mystic, I hope you find a better place to keep your horse. You are right, with a horse like that, it's only a matter of time before someone gets killed.

Unfortunately, it often takes something that dramatic for naive people to pull their heads out of their butts.
Well I certainly hope no one gets killed :( or even injured again...and please god let it NOT be me because I am accident prone enough!

This yard is open due to the landlords refusing to sort out the electricity so the ponies pulled all the fences down. Besides the obvious aggression issue im a little tired of finding a new bite mark on my horse every day. As it is he was kicked badly in the front leg and the hematoma is taking a long time to subside.

Sadly I am very fond of the BO and we spend a lot of time together and I would be sad to not support her but I have to look out for what is best for both my horse and myself I guess.
     
    02-13-2012, 08:15 PM
  #30
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For those that say round pen this gelding then I can assure you that some horses are not safe to round pen. I certainly would not want to be shut in with it.

It takes an experienced person to work with this sort of animal and, with some there is no hope and euthanasia is the best way for all concerned.

I had a big warm blood mare come here in an emergency situation as her owner had been in a bad car smash.
I knew nothing about the mare only that she was turned out and not ridden. I was warned by the driver delivering her that she had 'a reputation' and had been to several places for training but returned shortly afterwards.
She led out to the filed fine and I turned her out with two of my mares. Usual squealing and threats and my two mares went off and she was a distance behind them.
Later I drove the ATV to the field to feed them. My mares came to the gate as usual when they heard meals on wheels I went to unlatch the gate and the new mare charged me and really meant business.
I will admit I was taken aback but, all I did was to turn the ATV around and drive back to the barn whereby I picked up my twitch, about 4 ' in length and made from a broken pitchfork handle.
Back at the gate the mare came at me again, this time harder and she actually bent the metal gate.
Difference was that I was ready for her and hit her straight down the front of the face with the twitch. HARD.
She shot off and stood about 50 yards away shaking her head and yawning. I drove into the field and across to the area I fed. Put the feeds out. New mare stood back and when I drove towards her she ran off.
That, to my way of thinking was good. She had a fear of me.
Next day she kept away so I caught my two and led them in letting her follow into the big loose area we have in the barn. I then had her go into a stable. There was no sign of her thinking of attacking me - she just wanted to keep a safe distance from me.
Once in the stable I caught her and decided that I would see what was causing the problem.
She was misaligned but nothing major and I soon adjusted her. I bossed that mare. If she so much as blinked without permission she was corrected with a hard poke of my finger, an arm wave or harsh voice.
I called the owner's husband and asked if I could ride her - after getting her feet trimmed. His answer was that no farrier would work with her but I could ride her if I wanted but he would not take any responsibility.
My farrier came and she started to mess but a poke and hard word from me and she was fine. My farrier had refused to do anything with her a few months before, he recognised her but said nothing knowing that A) I would have sorted her and B) I would not object if he cracked her one if she deserved it.

I did ride her to find that all she did was rear. I just sat her out and a few minutes later had the ride of my life on a very well trained horse that was answering aids I did not know I had given. Piaffe, passage, half passes were all there.

When I rode her out on the roads and tracks she was worse than any of my youngsters for spooking and bewilderment at new things like sheep and cattle. However, she did enjoy it and the more she went out the better she got and braver. She had a good pop to her over hunt jumps and ditches.

When the owner returned it was to find her 'baby' a totally different horse. Happy, relaxed and enjoying life. The story was much as I had suspected in that the horse had been bought for the price of a house, as a three year old in Germany. She had been trained for dressage and done nothing but twiddle around in an arena for about 8 years, I reckon tat she had had a mental breakdown and aggression was the way out. (She had hospitalised three people) When she meat someone who gave her as good as she was giving she had to think twice about it and make a decision that if she attacked me then I could and would retaliate and hurt her back - just as another horse would.

Now, the punishment fitted the crime, it was applied at the instant she went for me so, there was not an iota of doubt what it was for - so, it was fair.

I sold the horse for the owner and she is now fox hunting and show jumping and loving life.

I have only, in many years, come across three horses that were truly vicious - the first was sorted in much the same way, the second was put down, he was a real nutcase and I would have loved to have had him for longer but he returned to the race trainer for their open day and when the horse busted through the stable door and attacked the Head Lad, chasing him into a garage and the horse rearing up smacking his head through the roof, there was little other choice.
The third was the mare above.
     

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