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    02-13-2012, 08:31 PM
  #31
Trained
Hmmm. Interesting, but, sorry,I am having a really hard time believing that you smacked a horse in the face with what is basically equivalent of a baseball bat. Sorry, but I for one think that, altho you SAY it worked, perhaps it was a bit of overkill. I agree the timing and intent were correct, I just think the "tool" might have been a bit much. Nice story tho.
     
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    02-14-2012, 02:13 AM
  #32
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
Hmmm. Interesting, but, sorry,I am having a really hard time believing that you smacked a horse in the face with what is basically equivalent of a baseball bat. Sorry, but I for one think that, altho you SAY it worked, perhaps it was a bit of overkill. I agree the timing and intent were correct, I just think the "tool" might have been a bit much. Nice story tho.
No, it was not overkill - it was fully warranted and if a horse, dog or person has intentions to really hurt me then I will defend myself.
Importantly it was not done in temper that would not have worked.

Horses like this are exceptional, thank heavens. It takes exceptional treatment to get through to them.

I am all for giving a chance to do things the easy or hard way. This mare was dangerous, she was not threatening she had every intention of mauling me.

If you disagree tell me how you would have dealt with the situation? How would you have got into the field without being hurt? How would you have fed the horses? How would you have caught the mare?

When a professional tells the truth in that not always does 'natural' horsemanship work and that some horses are beyond normal training then it gets a 'poor horse' reaction.

The owner had to put her fed in a stable and wait until she came in loose from her paddock before shutting the door, treats were always there to try and pacify the mare so in effect she was rewarded for extreme behaviour.

I do not like using force, I want a horse to work with me. To start the boundaries are tight and as trust builds so the boundaries are widened.

My forte in the horse world has always been with 'difficult' horses. I have learned to read them, I have an understanding for when ill behaviour is from a discomfort/pain issue and will sort that out. I work for relaxed, uncomplicated behaviour.

I go for the three 'Fs' - firm, fair and fun. I am consistent with the minor things like manners and have a yard full of contented horses that know the boundaries and rules, learned from training with the three Fs.
     
    02-14-2012, 03:58 AM
  #33
Weanling
Well I live walking distance to the stables so I often go and help out at feed times. The BO gave me a whole stack of buckets and one happened to belong to this horse. I said thanks but no thanks and I wasn't putting myself in any danger.

Last night I was there alone and I was taking my horse for a lunge session. He has to walk past this horse's stable and stand while I open the beam. He pulled his ears back at mine (or me im not sure) and lunged forward straight into my lunge whip which caught him on the nose and he immediately stepped back into his box and never tried again. It literally just touched him (and was accidental, I never struck him) but just knowing I had a whip in my hand was enough to make him step back into his place.

But regardless I will more than likely be moving my horse to a better facility next month
     
    02-14-2012, 05:29 AM
  #34
Banned
Sounds to me like the owner needs to accept that there is a problem first and foremost.

Then the horse needs training by someone with a solid track record of training spoilt horses.

THEN the owner needs to be trained and brought together and shown what to do in terms of managing and handling the horse.

I notice that some mentioned having the horse put down and I've a real issue with that in the situation as described here.

Too many forget to include or consider that one of the prime reasons for animals misbehaving is lack of training and poor ownership.

It's because of what people have done to them. It's because of ignorance or wilful action. It's because they move them around without EVER spending any time and trouble and effort training them to behave. They become badly behaved and a problem.

Truth be told they're spoilt! It's people who are the problem.

Then because too many folks are from a "I WANT IT AND I WANT IT ALL AND I WANT IT NOW" mindset they just kill or move on that one and get another.

The problem with killing a horse in these circumstances is that too often it is convenience euthanasia.

There's no real or serious attempt to deal with the problem and the person who makes the decision too often does it having pratted around.

They misinterpret the behaviour and don't know how to deal with it and end up doing the "couldn't do anything, so it's going... must be something mentally wrong with it" ..... phew that makes me feel better.

Do they ever get a Post mortem done.... nah! Heck that might make them feel a little responsible!!!

So the horse is just labelled as dangerous or aggressive and it's killed. It's a convenience.

Now I might have got this cynical because I've had too many horses in to train like this and you know what..... within weeks we're making progress and so far I've NEVER as in NEVER had one that stays mad bad or dangerous.

I've also known a heck of a lot of folks who get them and they're o.k. Or o.k.ish and within weeks they're pronounced "dangerous" or "unsuitable". I've known a lot who have a habit of doing that! They even imagine little scenarios like "it must have been drugged when I got it", "it must have been cruelly treated by someone else", "it must have some serious health problem", "it must be mad or mental in some rare and exceptional way".

IT CAN'T BE ME OR ANYTHING I'VE DONE.

Then for some reason those that made a bad decision in the first place: either getting the horse or spoiling it expect others to think that their decision to kill it is a good one and they want and look for placating platitudes.

No way! Not from me.
     

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