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post #11 of 31 Old 03-19-2012, 11:05 AM
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Ya thats kinda like teaching her its okay to bite the hand that feeds you.
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post #12 of 31 Old 03-19-2012, 11:10 AM
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I know there are supplements to give to mares to help the pms problem, but I have no personal experience with them. We've had one mare at our barn that was so bad they decided on a hysterectomy for her, which worked, but I'm sure was pretty costly. Another mare at our barn suddenly became such a nightmare they thought she may need to be put down. Turns out she had some sort of ovarian tumor or cyst which needed to be removed.

So maybe a vet workup is in order.
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post #13 of 31 Old 03-19-2012, 11:27 AM
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It's really hard for a human to hit a horse and cause an injury. I agree with the hormones--your Vet will tell you about that. (Maybe you could avoid working with her for those few days/month she's actually in heat.) STILL, IMO lay down the law in every respect--haltering, leading, moving her feet in every way possible. Try making her move her quarters every time you change sides to groom. Work now on feet manners. Make it your primary training. You could use a lunge line and start by getting one foot at a time "caught" in the rope, halting her and pulling the foot towards you, holding for 30 seconds-one minute, then releasing. You want her to get out of your way every time you walk through the pasture, then follow you as your pass by, so use that whip to move her off of your path--the first time you wave the whip at her, but if she doesn't respond immediately give her a sound smack.
I LOVE doing this--makes me feel powerful!! Sometimes my almost 6yo QH is mildly irritated when I clean his sheath--I always clean them for about 1-2 minutes at at time, and often--so when he raises his back foot I pound him with my fist and say, "NO!" Then I go back to cleaning his sheath to establish my dominance. We always end with me winning.
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post #14 of 31 Old 03-19-2012, 12:26 PM
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Along with laying down the law I would suggest having her checked for lymes disease, especially if you have ticks. It makes them sore, distant, standoffish and very grumpy.
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post #15 of 31 Old 03-19-2012, 12:34 PM
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I'm going to suggest that since she charged the *son* instead of the BF, that she is wanting to put the son in his place, and is picking on the littlest herd member. The son was probably entering the pasture with the BF, in the prized position where she wanted to be. She tried to run off the son as she would run off a younger horse. She responded to you as the herd leader, but next time you won't be there and BF is clueless. In fact, BF is setting up a big bad disaster for the little boy. This is scary and totally preventable if the BF would get his head out of his arrogant a$$.
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Well, at least she has personality. If you eliminate any physical issue - then she is just aggressive by nature, which doesn't mean she is a bad horse, imho.
A lot of horses will lunge at people, especially young horses. With two year olds I have had, I always carried a training whip, which comes in handy for a lot more than protection - like guidance - so its not a "chore" to remember to carry it. It also gives you confidence to stand your ground when 1000 lbs come straight for you.

There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it.
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Well, you've gotten a lot of excellent advice here about the HORSE which is what you asked about. BUT......since I don't know you, and don't have to live with you, I'm going to give you a bit of, "BTDT, I'm 55 and don't have to take men's crap" advice.

Ditch the fiance. The man who calls me a BITCH gets to learn a whole new level of meaning for that word. My husband and I have been married for 22 years now and he has NEVER called me a BITCH and I have never called him a swear word either. It's a matter of respect. I respect his worth as a human and while I may not always agree with his point of view, occasionally loudly, I NEVER demean him nor he me. Do not allow any PERSON, male or female to refer to you in denigrating terms. Look at the lesson you 2 are teaching his son about how to treat women and put a stop to it NOW.

Then go out in the pasture and kick the horse's a$$. That's a respect issue too.

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post #18 of 31 Old 03-19-2012, 01:02 PM
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I think that pretty much everything has been covered that I would say. OP, I have a little mare quite like yours though, in that she had zero respect for people and was actually being encouraged to act like an idiot. Its not a fun thing to correct but it can be done. Once you've ruled out any pain, I'd go with what a few of the others have said and make her MOVE.

My mare is three, almost four- but as a two year old she was a monster. She would even go as far as bucking and rearing while on a leadline, lunging at people with bared teeth, and kicking. She once even kicked a two year old boy in the head. Very luckily for her, she barely caught him and he was alright- but she would of been put down immediately otherwise.

And ofcourse, with behavior like she presented, I had to work to gain control of her. Fast. I did this by teaching her to give to pressure, and that she moved when I told her to, how I tolder her to, because I told her to. And not at all if I didnt say she could. I began by teaching her to back up, then proceeded to teach her to give to pressure at the hindquarters, girth, shoulders, poll, and mouth. Often I had to get nasty with her, and I was always afraid that she was going to hate me afterwards (before all of this she was just like your girl. Untouched by humans and very standoffish. Except for with her, she had been mistreated directly after being brought to our farm) but actually, exactly the opposite happened. In establishing my dominance with her, she actually wanted my approval. She realized that I was a good leader and that I would only punish her when she didn't do as I asked.

Now she's well mannered and actually on her way to becoming a very nice little cart horse, but I'm telling you- if she so much as makes an ugly face at me or takes a step towards me that I didn't authorize, she's going to be reminded of just who's in charge in this joint ;)

So thats what I'd advise in you doing. Its going to be a bit harder, because you fiance is unwilling to do things the right way (dont feel bad, I know quite a few men who are like this), but if you persevere and he just stays away, I think you'll see some drastic improvement in no time.

Also, I'd just like to say props to you for actually being open to suggestions from us and keeping a good attitude, as well as really looking at the whole picture and considering every option!

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I am now certain that my fiance has been a contributing factor, if not the reason, since he refuses to learn how to handle them the right way but wants to "play" with them in the pasture. With me working full time and him home a lot, I have no idea what he does with them. We had a pretty big blow out over that too and the net result is that he is no longer allowed to mess with them at all. As a matter of fact, there is a chance that after this fiasco, I might look for a place to board them and start hunting for an apartment. I really enjoyed the part where he called me a bitch because what I "think should be done with them is boring." Yup, safe and correct is boring because watching 600lbs of horse lunge at 55lbs of kid is so much fun. :( This is turning out to be a bad week for me all over... I'm sorry off topic...
I completely agree with DCA 150%. I had a long term boyfriend who i almost was engaged to. He was constantly ignoring my requests with my horses and acted like he knew better. He would pull my 2 year old out without asking and just start doing ridiculous things with him. Mind you, this boy never even rode a horse before he met me. I would constantly try to teach him how to properly handle my horses and how to deal with certain situations. But he would have none of it, he would insult me and call me names such as your is. He was beating the crap out of my pony on day with a whip for no reason, i screamed at him and told him he was no longer allowed to touch my horses.

He ended up punching me in the face.

Im a firm believer in men who disrespect women like that have the potential to be dangerous. Not saying he will end up hitting you, but either way that kind of disrespect should not be tolerated at all. Especially that he is not respecting the fact that its your horse and your rules.
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