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post #11 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 12:32 PM
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Since you said you didn't know about your heels....they should most certainly be down. As I said, they are your shock absorbers, all of your weight should be in your heels. If your heels are up, not only are you more likely to grip with your knees which completely throws off you seat, but you are also more likely to have a foot caught in the stirrup and be dragged in the event that you fall. Your seat will be much more secure if your heels are down. Just keep practicing and eventually it will become natural and it won't be painful.
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post #12 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 12:39 PM
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This lady sounds like a jerk. You were not there to get a lesson from her and if she wanted her horse put away a certain fashion, she should have done it herself. Now, you could have asked more questions but it sounds like she had you so uptight( because of her constant barking and nagging) that why would you risk asking a question and having her put you down???

Her information sounds correct but the way in which it was delivered was not helpful and may have hindered you from asking important questions about the horse..... sorry. Not all horse people are as rude as this lady sounded to be.

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post #13 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 02:24 PM
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Sorry I didn't know you had owned horses before. I know how it is to learn something different than you had previously been taught. I hope you find a horse that does well for you. : )
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post #14 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 04:00 PM
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Poultry Girl,
As you have discovered going to look at a horse with a view to buy can be a fraught experience. You must prepare yourself before you go.

May I suggest that before you go visiting again you make up for yourself a little questionaire. The first visit must be seen as an information gathering session.
You need to discover as much as you can about the horse before you committ to buy it. The only way to keep the meeting on track is to have that list either in your hand or at least in your mind when you are there. You don't have to like the seller but you do have to get the truth out of he/she and that is not always easy. It is rarely what the seller tells you that matters - it is what they don't say about the horse that often is important. Make the seller talk
and then look for any inconsistencies in what they have said.

Always take someone along with you - it would be nice if they knew something about horses but if you only have friends who play ball games, then take them along with you for company and to ensure that you are not put down by the seller - as you were on this occasion. Always remember it is the horse that you might take home not the seller.

Also when riding a strange horse which is for sale, try to be present when the horse is brought in for grooming and tacking up. Let the seller tack the horse horse up but watch the process carefully. Then when the horse is ready to ride go up to it, give it a stroke and talk to it. However be careful - you do need to know if the horse is safe to ride before you get on it. Always make them demonstrate the horse first preferably in some form of arena on flat ground.

What is very important is the feeling that comes up from your gut when you first sit down on the saddle. Don't ever ignore it.

I have never bought a horse on a first visit. Give yourself some thinking time. If the seller tries to put pressure on, then walk away.

Be lucky, buying a horse is rarely better than a 50/50 experience - it is as easy to buy the wrong horse as the right one. What you have to do is to try to bring the odds into your favour.

PS Welcome to the Forum. If you would like members of the Forum to help you, then next time think of giving us a little more information about yourself and what you are seeking to do with the horse.
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post #15 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 05:06 PM
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It does sound like she was correct, but if it went exactly like you say she could have said it much nicer, you weren't there for a lesson. On this kissing it is common to teach cluck for trot and kiss for canter/lope, but there are differences in training and the kiss can just mean speed up.

On the halter I never leave halters on, not only because of the danger, but I also don't like the halter marks left behind. I've known of atleast one foal that broke it's neck because of a halter left on, and I met a horse at the vet one day that had gotten his leg caught in the halter and kicked his eye out. I have left halters on short term for one reason or another, but rarely and for sure don't as a generally rule.
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post #16 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 05:46 PM
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She should have explained, or you should have asked for, the horse's cues. If she hopped off after "two seconds" I would tell her to get back on and show me the horse isn't gonna kill me when I get on. JMHO. I do agree with her about the halter and the heels, but she could have said it a lottt nicer. Getting lessons from a "cowboy friend-of-a-friend" isn't going to teach you everything, so you should be open to advice and constructive criticism.
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post #17 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 05:56 PM
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I agree with what most of the others said. Never ever leave a halter on. Halter breaking a baby doesnt mean leaving the halter on. I have seen horse get seriously hurt because they have been snagged in stalls and in the pasture by halters. :(

As for riding, yes, heels down. It is uncomfortable when you begin riding but after awhile its second nature. When I see someone with their toes down or feet straight, I cringe.

Definitely take someone with you who is knowledgeable in horses before you buy and get stuck with either a horse too advanced for you or a lemon.

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post #18 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 11:15 PM
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I agree with what everyone else has said, especially about getting an older horse for a teacher and I know one guy who's 7 day old foal got his halter caught and broke his neck and another guy who's 3 yr. mare got her foot caught in her halter and was paralyzed and had to be put down. Was she rude or just brusque? But she was right about the heels. If your heels are down and your horse bucks or stumbles your alot less likely to come off. So chalk it down to experience and take her advice, you'll be a better rider for it if nothing else.

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post #19 of 27 Old 10-04-2010, 07:41 AM
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I agree with the halter thing. I don't like to leave any, but if it's absolutely necessary - break away all the way and definitely no halter in stall. Horses are dumb - they always find a way to hurt themselves.

I have a feeling she did right corrections (like heels down etc.). HOWEVER the WAY she did it is absolutely unacceptable. Don't feel dumb! There is nothing wrong if someone doesn't know something. Nothing wrong when someone points out that something is done incorrectly either. But again, you don't do it on potential buyers and you have to do it as a suggestion, not a scream.

Personally, I'd just keep looking for another horse (and another seller!).
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post #20 of 27 Old 10-04-2010, 12:19 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by kitten_Val View Post
I have a feeling she did right corrections (like heels down etc.). HOWEVER the WAY she did it is absolutely unacceptable. Don't feel dumb! There is nothing wrong if someone doesn't know something. Nothing wrong when someone points out that something is done incorrectly either.
I don't mind being corrected, in fact, Im greatful to glean information But I'm also extremely insecure, and that's like one of my fears--getting yelled at because I dont know what Im doing. haha. I dont mind, but I did immeaditly feel dumb, then start feeling nervous, and then just thinking: why the heck am I here if I'm such an idiot?
I think I found the horse I want--and it's definitely NOT the one that lady was selling. Instead it's a ridiculously mellow 5 year old (I didnt even think this mellow for her age was possible..) who's just a doll.
And I've been involved in 4-H for years, poultry is my thing. I'm a four time grand champion showman, and I hold showmanship clinics and lead a poultry project. I taught showmanship to many, many children this past summer, and sure, you mess up, but you correct them gently, praise them when they get something right, and they become confident and pick things up so fast. I was so proud of all of them at fair, and their hard work. My point: when you're teaching, especially something animal related, dont YELL or put down or try to make someone insecure. It's like hitting the off switch in the brain and shutting them down. It also makes them nervous around the animal which makes it worse. Im glad she corrected me, because I learned more I can apply towards my riding (hehehehe), but I did feel like a dummie.
And thanks for the advice on the halter. If I get this horse I'm making an offer on (fingers are still crossed), she's definitely getting a leather halter.
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