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    12-14-2010, 01:13 AM
  #1
Weanling
Is she worth looking at?

So...my quest for an arab has been in progress for well over three months now. I feel like I've got some prospects, and am closing in, but always looking. You never know if something better is hiding just around the corner. And you can't commit until you know whats out there. But you can't know what's out there til you've seen around the corner. I've scped out ever craigslist in Arizona, Colorado, California, New Mexico, Nevada and Utah. I've searched dreamhorse, equinenow, horsetopia, equine.com, horse clicks, oodle.com and freehorse ads. I've had an ad up at the feedstore too.
There's a horse out of state I do like, and am considering making an offer on this week.
And then today, someone emails me the number of her friend, who has a mare for sale. Called her, and she gave me the story on the mare.
And I'm wondering, oh knowledgable people of horse forum who always have great insight, does this mare even sound worth lookin at?
The lady's had the mare a year. She's 6 years old, registered. She was professionally trained but then sat a few months. The lady said "Bash" doesnt do what Bash doesn;t want to do. She throws a fit. And if she throws a fit long enough she will offer to buck. She says spurs have no effect on this mare.
The mare is ridden in a "custom hackamore she came with last year". The mare if you try to pick up her back feet will squat. To quote the lady "it's like bash likes to be smacked."
The lady says she's owned 1000 horses, and never seen one quite like this one (not in a good sense). She gives pony rides and beginners lessons, so I assume she's a good rider herself. She said "Bash hates me because I took her out of the desert and brought her up here to the snow and high altitude".
Based on all this...does the mare even sound like being worth going to look at? She's only a half hour from where I live, and literally lives down the street from my best friend's house (so I guess he can come and watch and call 911 when I die).
Here's the ad from when the mare was originally for sale in the desert: 5 Year old Beautiful Arabian Mare
It doesnt help she's an Aladdinn great granddaughter. I'm a sucker for those Aladdinn and Khemo lines. She's also related to Bask, but in my opinion, "everyone and his grandpa is related to bask." no big deal right?
Anyways, just wondering if y'all thought a horse that sounds like a handful right off the bat is even worth a look?
     
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    12-14-2010, 10:24 AM
  #2
Green Broke
I think it depends on what you are willing to work with. If she is only 30 minutes away it probably wouldn't hurt to look.
     
    12-14-2010, 10:31 AM
  #3
Green Broke
It said it has been sold. You claim it is not erasy to handle but the ad says it is very easy to handle????? I wouild also talk to the trainer that had her
     
    12-14-2010, 10:43 AM
  #4
Weanling
Looking at that link it says the mare is sold. However if that's incorrect and she is still a possiblilty for you I think you need to ask yourself a couple of questions here:
Firstly, how experienced are you with handling horses that can be difficult, and are you willing to work with this mare, and put in a lot of hours to improve her behaviour? If you are able to work with her on her problems this may not be such a bad thing, but if you are looking for something that you can start work with straight off without going back to training you might want to consider looking elsewhere.

Secondly, the fact that you are yourself so unsure if you should go and look says a lot to me, you clearly have doubts already. Unless you want to breed or show her I would consider her temperment and suitablilty to you before her breeding lines.

By all means If you feel you can handle this horse and think you may prefer her to the other horse you are looking at you might as well go and see her, if it's only 30 mins. But if you think you're going to die, as you state in your post I'd give a good think about how you really feel about this before you make any desicions.
Good luck, let us know what desicion you make and how you get on
     
    12-15-2010, 05:06 PM
  #5
Weanling
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Originally Posted by SkyeAngel    
Looking at that link it says the mare is sold. However if that's incorrect and she is still a possiblilty for you I think you need to ask yourself a couple of questions here:
Firstly, how experienced are you with handling horses that can be difficult, and are you willing to work with this mare, and put in a lot of hours to improve her behaviour?
Good luck, let us know what desicion you make and how you get on
I'm NOT experienced with problem horses. And that's what makes me hesitate. I'm a stubborn, consistant person, but I don;t have the experience to fix a problem. If she was really bad, trainer time would more than likely have to happen.
I feel like at 6 years old it's definitely expected for her to be antsy, and get wound up faster from sitting for a couple months than a horse twice her age. I like the age though, because I feel like she has many potentially good, versatile years in front of her. THe other horse I'm looking at is a 16 hour round trip drive if I decided to buy her. She's a flashy fat little pinto. This mare is chestnut.
The far away horse is 12. Which is absolutely perfect right now..but what about in 8 years? That's my only concern, and my major hesitation with the pinto, or that horse would be in a trailer to my house right now. I would like to try a few different disciplines--not competitively, but for fun. I would like to learn english,and jump for fun possibly. I would also like to try barrels or poles. Just to see what it's like. The far away horse only has been trail ridden thus far in her life.
This mare (the chestnut, 30 minute mare) supposedly was "professionally trained" (whatever that's supposed to imply), and has never had a bit in her mouth. Only a "custom" hackamore. Could that be part of the control issue the woman is having with her?
This mare is also a bit taller than the pinto, and definitely tall for an arab--a bit over 15 hands.
And that for sale ad was from last year (?) when the lady who owns her now bought her down in in the desert.
     
    12-15-2010, 06:13 PM
  #6
Teen Forum Moderator
I'd say that given this young mares age, you are 100% correct about it being normal for her to act up. She's a purebred mare with lines that come from(if I remember correctly) highstrung lines- who's had a lot of change to deal with in the past few years. Most likely her problem as far as the control goes is too little work, too much smack, and far too little credit. It sounds like she needs someone who can take her in and work with her, not at her, to overcome her problems.

I don't really see how the 'costum hackamore' could cause any control issues- not that I've examined it myself, simply becauses hackamores are made for control on sensative horses- they mean business. Also, are you sure she's never had a bit in her mouth? It looks to me like she might be wearing a curb, or fancy snaffle in her 5 year old picture. Make sure you find that out.

I definitely agree with contacting her old trainer. Something is obviously being done wrong on her now-owner, if her personality has changed that drastically. Anyways, as for if you should go look at her- it depends. Yes, there is a larger chance of 'Bash' being more easily adaptable to new things- but ONLY if you help her along. She doesnt sound like she is too keen on change. If you're not willing to put in the hours with her to help her understand what you want, and to undo vices- I think you should go with that pinto. Even after being a trail horse this long, she can probably be trained to do many things. You'll just need to remember that she's most likely not going to be as soft-mouthed or respondant to leg commands as a horse who's still new to the game.

So really, it depends on these thing.

1) Are you a heavy handed rider, or a light rider? Bash sounds like she's going to need a light contact rider.
2) Are you willing to train with someone else over the two of you, to help you bond and work as a team?
3) How much time are you going to have for her?

And make sure to ask LOTS of questions about bash so you know just what you're dealing with. Lead her around a bit, try things out for yourself. Don't make decisions too quickly, and stay open minded!
     
    12-15-2010, 06:48 PM
  #7
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Endiku    
I'd say that given this young mares age, you are 100% correct about it being normal for her to act up. She's a purebred mare with lines that come from(if I remember correctly) highstrung lines- who's had a lot of change to deal with in the past few years. Most likely her problem as far as the control goes is too little work, too much smack, and far too little credit. It sounds like she needs someone who can take her in and work with her, not at her, to overcome her problems.

It looks to me like she might be wearing a curb, or fancy snaffle in her 5 year old picture. Make sure you find that out.

I definitely agree with contacting her old trainer. Something is obviously being done wrong on her now-owner, if her personality has changed that drastically. Anyways, as for if you should go look at her- it depends. Yes, there is a larger chance of 'Bash' being more easily adaptable to new things- but ONLY if you help her along.
So really, it depends on these thing.

1) Are you a heavy handed rider, or a light rider? Bash sounds like she's going to need a light contact rider.
2) Are you willing to train with someone else over the two of you, to help you bond and work as a team?
3) How much time are you going to have for her?

And make sure to ask LOTS of questions about bash so you know just what you're dealing with. Lead her around a bit, try things out for yourself. Don't make decisions too quickly, and stay open minded!
Yeah...even a paint or QH yougin gets energy saved up if not worked: I can only imagine how a full blood arab would get after sitting all summer (WHICH is basically waht she did...according to this lady). The lady claimed to have owned a ton of horses though, and gives pony lessons, so I assume she knows horses..And if she thinks Bash is a um...different..animal.
I wonder how I could get ahold of that trainer. Definitely a good idea.
And that pic DOES appear to have a snaffle on it, in my opinion..but this new owner told me she has only ever been ridden in a hack. But, if she was professionally trained, I don't see any trainer never acquainting a horse with at least a snaffle.
The woman said "spurs have no effect on the mare" and "I use a crop on her now on the trail if she wont do something"
And is the Aladdinn line supposed to be high strung? I didnt know that. That makes me sad He was so gorgeous!
And I don't know if I'm heavy handed or what. I like direct reining more than neck reining, I have no clue why. Probably because I use my hands too much. I do plan to enroll in lessons in january, and I would like it even more if my horse AND I could learn together. Also thinking about joining pony club.
The horse would get worked daily. Maybe just an hour a day during the week, but daily. I'm not a good rider, but I figure practice makes better, and a tired horse is a happy horse
Oh, and the other thing the owner told me is that Bash, as a baby became injuried and was spoiled in the house, and as a three year old was "owned by someone who knew nothing about horses" and let her do wahtever. She said that's her problem now is she thinks she can be spoiled..But my assumption is any horse whos gone through training would get over the spoiled phase?
     
    12-15-2010, 11:02 PM
  #8
Foal
If you r a good rider and will do some work if had 2 go 4 it
     
    12-15-2010, 11:23 PM
  #9
Gus
Banned
I agree with BecArabian
     
    12-15-2010, 11:48 PM
  #10
Yearling
I've had problem horses that I had to 'retrain' and I've bought a 12 year old trail-only (gaited) horse that I'm riding all the time and having a blast, and teaching the other things she didn't know - working cattle, herding sheep, competitive trail/obstacles. I wouldn't rule out the pinto just because she's fat and trail-only, but if your heart isn't in it, she's not the right one for you. I would visit the chestnut more than once to see how she is on different days. You should be prepared for all that it will take to retrain her or change her behavior, and you should really, really enjoy her personality because you are going to be spending a lot of time with her. If you want to ride and have fun projects for 'extra' disciplines, get the pinto. If you connect with the chestnut's personality, buckle down for training for some time to come before you can "just ride" for fun or move on to other disciplines.

And ditto to all the others who said find the trainer and figure out why you're getting such different stories on this mare. I would agree that the lady who has her now can't handle her properly and that doesn't fit with the description of the horse in the sale ad. I would also take it with a grain of salt that the seller is a great horseperson just because she says she is, or because she's owned lots of horses....
     

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