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        04-06-2010, 12:54 PM
      #11
    Green Broke
    Gotta love good old fashioned propaganda!
         
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        04-06-2010, 03:25 PM
      #12
    Trained
    One company that I worked for did processed meats for Subway (they did not kill) and the city didn't make them plan for the amount of oil fat and grease that would go down the drain during cleanup operations. After about $250,000 worth of fines and $100,000 woth of stop gap measures the company built a waste treatment facility about one year after opening. The measures are in place to ensure that no plant regardless of what it does pollutes or compromises a cities utilities but it requires people to think ahead and plan. I doubt that there will be a mayor of any city that says "sure slaughter 500 horses per day. Just hose the waste down the drain and we'll deal with it."
         
        04-06-2010, 04:35 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    OWNERS and BREEDERS need to step up and take responsibility for their hores, simple as that. There needs to be harsher laws to punish those who fail. I would be glad to see my tax $$ go toward punishing animal abusers- For people who abuse/neglect animals, the next step is quite often another human.

    Slaughter is a cop-out IMHO and should not be legalized, not only for the inhumane treatment of horses, but also for the serious risks the meat poses to those that would consume it.

    "...how are you going to certify the horses are free of prohibited substances? A horse that has received a prohibited substance can never enter the food chain. There is no withdrawal period. Those are the EU rules and the FDA rules." (Full article here: WHO?S ON FIRST? Straight from the Horse's Heart)

    Slaughter is a demand driven BUSINESS and slaughter houses only kill enough horses to fill the demand, they are not in business to clean up after irrisponsible breeders/owners.
         
        04-06-2010, 04:39 PM
      #14
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    One company that I worked for did processed meats for Subway (they did not kill) and the city didn't make them plan for the amount of oil fat and grease that would go down the drain during cleanup operations.
    I guess I should say it this way - Any municipality I have worked in (which is very many in several states) has an ordinance that requires control of such things (FOG). Usually by means of an oil/grease interceptor/separator. I have yet to find one that does not have a maximum amount anyone is allowed to put into the system.

    Maybe where you worked was an exception. Or maybe where you worked there was an oil interceptor and you just did not know about it.
         
        04-06-2010, 04:45 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ktibb    
    OWNERS and BREEDERS need to step up and take responsibility for their hores, simple as that. There needs to be harsher laws to punish those who fail. I would be glad to see my tax $$ go toward punishing animal abusers- For people who abuse/neglect animals, the next step is quite often another human.

    Slaughter is a cop-out IMHO and should not be legalized, not only for the inhumane treatment of horses, but also for the serious risks the meat poses to those that would consume it.

    "...how are you going to certify the horses are free of prohibited substances? A horse that has received a prohibited substance can never enter the food chain. There is no withdrawal period. Those are the EU rules and the FDA rules." (Full article here: WHO?S ON FIRST? Straight from the Horse's Heart)

    Slaughter is a demand driven BUSINESS and slaughter houses only kill enough horses to fill the demand, they are not in business to clean up after irrisponsible breeders/owners.

    Sry to respond to myself, but have another article from the Food and Chemical Toxicology Journal that is worth reading, it's short.

    ScienceDirect - Food and Chemical Toxicology : Association of phenylbutazone usage with horses bought for slaughter: A public health risk
         
        04-06-2010, 04:47 PM
      #16
    Trained
    I think the company I worked for tried to put one over on the city and the city guys didn't think about the oil and grease. I was a maintenance supervisor so I'm sure they didn't have a seperator untill the city forced them to have one. I agree with you that cities would have a plan in place before a slaughterhouse ever came into town.
         
        04-06-2010, 04:49 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    How is horse slaughter inhumane? One bolt to the head and the horse is gone. And I am sure they have ways to make sure the meat is just fine to be consumed by people, they did it for how many years before the bleeding hearts got the plants shut down?

    I think the cop out is to punish the people who cannot care for the animals and cannot unload them either, which is where a majority of the abused and neglected horses are coming from, sheer human desperation. If anyone needs to be punished it is the ones who pushed for the plants to be closed in the first place. Now I am not saying that people are not at fault, but to spend the hundreds of thousands of tax dollars(that could be going to health care, the elderly, schools, parks, ect.) to incarcerate them all is not the answer ESPECIALLY with the economy the way it is.

    And yep Kevin, I agree, it is not like they are just going to let the flush everything down the drain, these are government regulated facilities, they have codes for waste disposal that they have to follow under penalty of HEAVY fines.
         
        04-06-2010, 05:17 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Honeysuga    
    How is horse slaughter inhumane? One bolt to the head and the horse is gone. And I am sure they have ways to make sure the meat is just fine to be consumed by people, they did it for how many years before the bleeding hearts got the plants shut down?

    I think the cop out is to punish the people who cannot care for the animals and cannot unload them either, which is where a majority of the abused and neglected horses are coming from, sheer human desperation. If anyone needs to be punished it is the ones who pushed for the plants to be closed in the first place. Now I am not saying that people are not at fault, but to spend the hundreds of thousands of tax dollars(that could be going to health care, the elderly, schools, parks, ect.) to incarcerate them all is not the answer ESPECIALLY with the economy the way it is.

    And yep Kevin, I agree, it is not like they are just going to let the flush everything down the drain, these are government regulated facilities, they have codes for waste disposal that they have to follow under penalty of HEAVY fines.
    I suppose it depends on what your idea of humane is. This sure isn't mine:


    Neither is this:

    Or This:

    Please share how the plants are addressing the drug issue. I have been unable to find anything on that, other than it is nearly impossible, nothing specific yet.

    Nobody is required to own any animal. It is a choice, and is one that should not be taken lightly. What happens to the dogs and cats that owners can no longer care for? They go to a shelter and if are not adopted they get euthed-a humane end, not shot in the face, sometimes multiple times (see above videos) hung by one leg while still very much alive, stabbed and bled to death.

    I'm not saying that all owners should be put in jail, but at a minimum they should be banned from ever owning animals again-no matter the species.

    If you can't care for an animal, or "unload" (?) it then give it a humane end. If you can't cough up the $$ for your vet to do it, bullets are cheap and a correctly placed bullet while the animal is in a familliar place is a far more responsible option than sending it to slaughter.

    There were just as many if not more abused and neglected horses while the US had plants operating.

    Why should the people who pushed for the plants to be closed be punished? How does the US closing plants affect the number of abused and neglected horses at all? Sending a horse to slaughter is just as much of an option today as it was while the plants were open here.
         
        04-06-2010, 05:30 PM
      #19
    Started
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ktibb    
    I suppose it depends on what your idea of humane is. This sure isn't mine:

    YouTube- Bouvry Video Summary Part I of III

    Neither is this:
    YouTube- Bouvry Video Summary Part II of III

    Or This:
    YouTube- Richelieu Video Summary Part III of III

    Please share how the plants are addressing the drug issue. I have been unable to find anything on that, other than it is nearly impossible, nothing specific yet.

    Nobody is required to own any animal. It is a choice, and is one that should not be taken lightly. What happens to the dogs and cats that owners can no longer care for? They go to a shelter and if are not adopted they get euthed-a humane end, not shot in the face, sometimes multiple times (see above videos) hung by one leg while still very much alive, stabbed and bled to death.

    I'm not saying that all owners should be put in jail, but at a minimum they should be banned from ever owning animals again-no matter the species.

    If you can't care for an animal, or "unload" (?) it then give it a humane end. If you can't cough up the $$ for your vet to do it, bullets are cheap and a correctly placed bullet while the animal is in a familliar place is a far more responsible option than sending it to slaughter.

    There were just as many if not more abused and neglected horses while the US had plants operating.

    Why should the people who pushed for the plants to be closed be punished? How does the US closing plants affect the number of abused and neglected horses at all? Sending a horse to slaughter is just as much of an option today as it was while the plants were open here.
    Okay so you just went onto youtube and got some of the worst footage you could to say all horse slaughter is inhumane make it illegal.
         
        04-06-2010, 05:34 PM
      #20
    Banned
    Bouvry and Richelieu are in Canada, not the U.S.

    What are we as U.S. Citizens supposed to do about Canadian humane laws being enforced? Oh that's right, we don't HAVE any options or rights, not being Canadian.

    We can't punish a plant that's not within our borders. We cannot enforce laws that don't pertain to our own country. As U.S. Citizens, once the plants are reopened in our own states we can and should make sure the regulations and humane laws are followed.

    And let me reiterate for perhaps the thousandth time, for people who don't seem to know: horse slaughter in the U.S. Is not now, nor has ever been, illegal.

    Oh, there may be one or two bleeding-heart states who passed a ban, but the majority of the 50 states have no such laws. Horse slaughter for the sale of human consumption is illegal, but not the slaughter and private consumption of horse meat.

    What I do find amusing in a sad sort of way, is that California is one of the states that has banned it for human consumption, and yet the restaurant that got raided recently for selling illegal whale and horse meat was in California!
         

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