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        04-06-2010, 10:45 PM
      #41
    Trained
    We also have the option of the doggers coming out and shooting the horse at your property then hauling it away for processing if you are close enough.

    Maybe it also has something to do with the fact that a lot of the abbatoirs here are smaller companies and not big production line factories.
         
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        04-06-2010, 10:52 PM
      #42
    Green Broke
    WS, all of the above and then some.
    Our society, in general, loves to be the "savior"....especially if the thing we are saving is cute and lovable (notice any, save the horny toad campaigns lately?). Then there is the protest syndrome. I used to live near a hotbed of protest activity -- there were plenty of times when people would protest just to protest, they wouldn't even know what they were protesting against or for, they just liked the idea of being an "activist".
    In general, we are a very wasteful and impractical society. We like to talk, a lot, about all the horrible things going on in the world. Take starving children, for example, we feel awful and think "something must be done" but in the next breath would protest using the surplus of horses as a food source to feed them.
    There is this idea of being "better" than a lot of other cultures. Those cultures who eat animals such as dogs, guinea pigs and, gasp, horses. Cultures where that is acceptable are looked down upon by many of the anti-slaughter folk as being backward or just not knowing better (aka not being as enlightened as the all-might anti-slaughter person).
    I think ultimately I have more respect for those who object to the consumption of all flesh, vs those who want to pick and choose which are okay to eat and which are deserving of being saved. At least the former is not a hypocrite.
    I have no issue with someone not wanting to eat horse meat. Personally, I don't think I want to -- I do have an issue with someone thinking they have the right to tell me, or the next person on the street, what I can/can't eat.
         
        04-06-2010, 11:04 PM
      #43
    Trained
    I'm the same - Personally I don't think I would eat horse meat - I'm a very safe eater at the best of times, but I don't think it's my right to tell other people what they should/shouldn't eat.

    Just did some more snooping and found we only have 2 abbatoirs who process horses for human consumption, and then about 30 odd knackeries who process horses for pet food and other products.
         
        04-07-2010, 09:51 AM
      #44
    Banned
    Quote:
    I agree that horses are a luxury item and yes vet assisted euthanasia can be costly, but again I'm going to play the responsibility card here and say that should've been taken into account when the animal was aquired. Is is asking too much for people to have a little forethought?


    Forethought is great. I would guess most of us have a plan, etc.

    But maybe you do not realize this, but bad things happen to good people. Let us set aside all the people who get pets/animals with out thinking ahead. With out even learning the most basic care needs, etc. We will pretend the mass quantities of people that fit into that category do not exist for a second and move on to normal good people who have a horse or two or six or whatever.

    People who for years and years have provided their horses with great care, etc.

    And then the bread winner of the family suddenly drops dead from a heart attack (or is hit by a bus, or looses his six figure income, or runs off with the maid).

    Now family has horses to take care of along with all their other bills and no means to do any of them. The fund that previously set aside for an emergency vet bill now is paying the mortgage so they have a roof over their head for one more month.

    Bad things do happen. Even when you plan ahead. You can never know what will happen in the future. People stuck in a bad place should not be looked down on because they did not plan well enough for something that seemed totally unlikely to happen.

    I guess you could put your name out there as being willing to take in or support all the horses whose humans end up in a bad situation. That seems like the responsible thing to do.
         
        04-07-2010, 10:56 AM
      #45
    Green Broke
    Yes, Alwaysbehind. Forethought is great, but only goes so far, especially right now. My work puts me in direct contact every day with people who have found themselves in a VERY different, and unexpected, situation than they were in six months to a year ago - due to the economy. Things happen, most families are one major disaster (be it health, employment, etc) from financial destruction. When circumstances change, forethought only takes you so far.
         
        04-07-2010, 11:00 AM
      #46
    Weanling
    [quote=Ktibb;597679]
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Crimsonhorse01    
    Not trying to be nasty in anyway here, this is honestly curiosity: Why didn't you do the same to the others that were shipped to slaughter?
    Because I don't oppose slaughter. I did not want to waste the meat and we were somewhat reimbursed for our effort.

    Before the plants were closed the only horses that the slaughter buyers had a choice of were horses with bad conformation, bad attitudes, and then of course the oldies. Now that there is no outlet for all the culls even the good usable horses are there for the slaughter buyers to pick from.
    That is what is what really ticks me off. Why I really dislike anti slaughter advocates. In my eyes you are a hypocrite.
         
        04-07-2010, 12:48 PM
      #47
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Crimsonhorse01    
    Before the plants were closed the only horses that the slaughter buyers had a choice of were horses with bad conformation, bad attitudes, and then of course the oldies.
    EXACTLY. I went to an auction with kill buyers. (The ones here actually have a 'policy' that if anyone who's not a kill buyer wants a horse, they stop bidding on it. They only take the ones no one wants.) And the VAST MAJORITY of the horses they took were NOT the kind old school horses or pets that so patiently taught kids how to ride. They were the herds of untouched conformationally hideous 3 year olds who've never seen a halter or a farrier that ignorant Joe Blow Farmer "bred" by throwing his stallion in with his band of equally conformationally hideous mares. And oops, who knew your herd size could double?! Winter comes along and turns out he can't feed all 50 of his horses. Starve 'em? Or take them to auction where he can at least make a few bucks? I'd say about 95% of the horses sold by the pound are these.

    Is it fair that these horses are suffering b/c of Farmer Joe's irresponsibility? No. But it's life and it's reality.
         
        04-07-2010, 01:10 PM
      #48
    Weanling
    [quote=Crimsonhorse01;598166]
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ktibb    

    Because I don't oppose slaughter. I did not want to waste the meat and we were somewhat reimbursed for our effort.

    Before the plants were closed the only horses that the slaughter buyers had a choice of were horses with bad conformation, bad attitudes, and then of course the oldies. Now that there is no outlet for all the culls even the good usable horses are there for the slaughter buyers to pick from.
    That is what is what really ticks me off. Why I really dislike anti slaughter advocates. In my eyes you are a hypocrite.
    I'm not opposed to slaughter alltogether- I'm opposed to improper slaughter (horses being slaughtered in facilities designed for cattle) nor am I opposed to people eating horses (as I've already stated) people could eat kittens for all I care if they were raised and slaughtered humanely, and in accordance with all health regulations.

    How is there is no outlet? Horses are still shipped to slaughter every day aren't they? Or do some areas (maybe yours?) not have auction houses/KB's?

    I think you made a key point here: The real problem is careless overbreeding of poor quality horses.

    What am I saying that makes me a hypocrite?

    I'm not saying we should totally outlaw slaughter houses, I'm not saying we should dictate what people can eat...?

    I was curious why you would choose to put down some horses yourself vs send some for slaughter (which was for money, fine). What am I missing?

    I actually agree with a lot of the points you made.
         

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