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post #1 of 17 Old 01-06-2013, 12:27 AM Thread Starter
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Someone talk me out of this!

Looking for a horse to take me around to anywhere I want to go (alone), i.e. neighbors house, store (our county has no stop lights, and less than 5k people), other horse riders barns to ride, day rides, overnight camping, etc. Very rural here. This horse looks like a friendly, in your pocket, do it all horse. Does it appear that way to you too or am I just day dreaming?

Excellent Confidence Builder, Finished Ranch Horse classified ad
Paint Gelding video of said horse

I'm thinking that's not a lot of money for what they are saying he can do. Let me just be clear on this.... I care about soundness and temperament. Really don't care about correct confirmation or color at all. You can't ride color. I just want a horse that I can just ride out. A buddy who enjoys being with me and going on new adventures, willing to please and calm.
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post #2 of 17 Old 01-06-2013, 12:48 AM
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He looks REALLY nice!

The things that stood out out me that made me wonder (just wonder if he isn't as absolutely 100% perfect as they claim, not wonder if he's a devil-horse):
- They showed him cantering up a hill into a herd of horses. I would have liked to see him canter up a hill, away from the herd. I thought how calm he was when he was stopped was a good sign though!
- at the end, when they show him ponying that other horse, I saw the hints of some head tossing. Perhaps he was just getting caught in the mouth (all those riders were a little more handsy than I would like) but that could be a "bad" sign if head tossing annoys you (it annoys me!).
- On the same note as the riders being a bit handsy, the back-up cue and turn around cues were sooo...."TURN AROUND NOW!!!!!" and "BACK-UP NOW!!!!". I wonder what he would be like with a more relaxed, out of his face, rider. Would he take advantage or would he respond well?
Personally, I like my horses to respond to nearly imperceptible cues. I tend to be pretty "do what I tell you and you can do whatever within the guidelines I've given" as a rider, so a horse that's constantly testing that riding style because he's used to a more in-your-face-style bothers me a bit. Usually they tone down pretty fast, I've found, but that could be an area of "contention" for you.
- His walk. It was awfully fast for a relaxed horse. I have seen horses that just walk fast all the time (heck, I OWN one! haha) but generally stock-types, when they're relaxed, have a relatively slow walk. His walk (and the fact that very little just walking is shown) makes me wonder if maybe the gaits he's most comfortable with/most trained in are the trot/jog and canter/lope and if he might be one of those horses that's constantly anticipating a take off. There are definitely worse habits and I prefer a horse that's comfortable cantering to one that bucks at the canter, but still.

He is super gorgeous though! Looks like a sturdy, super broke guy. I wouldn't mind riding him! :)
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post #3 of 17 Old 01-06-2013, 12:55 AM
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I reckon you oughta go meet him and then talk yourself out of it. ;)
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post #4 of 17 Old 01-06-2013, 12:58 AM
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His back legs bother me a lot. I'd definitely want a vet check before I bought him. Price wise, I'm not familiar with your area but in my neck of the woods, you'd get between $1000 & 1250 for him if he showed up really groomed and rode well. Otherwise, as is in the video, $750 tops.

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post #5 of 17 Old 01-06-2013, 01:09 AM Thread Starter
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When he ran up the hill I did notice he ran right between the two dogs and then his presence got the others running and he did run in a very slight forward motion other than joining the herd direction immediately. Then when the others appeared at the top of the hill he wasn't there right away. Don't know how they pulled that off Then as you said he did appear and stopped like you said. I was like....okay, that's pretty good.

Didn't notice the head tossing...will watch again.

On the DO IT NOW commands: I am a light handed rider so your point is something for me to consider. I emailed them and one of the questions was if I could stay there (get a hotel) and ride him everyday for a week and pay if need be to see how he responds to my leadership which is a softer style. What do you mean by tone down? He will adjust to my lighter cues or he will take advantage?

I'll ask them for a lengthy video of walk to trot, to walk to trot, to canter, to walk, etc. and take a better look at that. Good point. You've given me lots of good things to think about. His scruffy short mane and short tail are not my favorite but like I said, looks aren't high on my list. The scruffiness of him does make him look sturdy, super broke to use your words.

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Always, always vet check but overall he looks like a super nice horse. I like the fact that he ran through the herd of horses and he didn't get bothered at all. I have seen too many that when others horses start running, They get all worked up. He didn't get amped up at all. He looks like a good ranch gelding who knows his job well and has a job to do. Too many horses don't have jobs. His price would be a touch high for our area but if the vet check comes out and he rides well, I wouldn't hesitate. He is super cute!

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Okay, he is not worth the money they are asking by a long shot. They bother making a video to show he can do what? He literaly does nothing in the video that is at all impressive...nothing that the average 3 yo wouldn't be expected to do. He is not that athletic, he can't disengage his hindquarters well, he isn't that "smooth" or responsive, can't get "under himself", and he is far from collected. If you want a cow horse, you can easily get one w proven blood lines that has either been started or is well along at this price.

Now, if I just wanted a dependable go along horse, and this guy had the asking price he should have at this stage of his training (no more than 1000, if that), he looks like a nice guy.

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post #8 of 17 Old 01-06-2013, 11:16 AM
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I like him. I don't like the rider, tho.
A ranch horse is supposed to have a forward walk, so no fault here.
I'd try him out, like you said, for a week. If he is what you're looking for, he's worth the money. I bet you could talk them down, 2000, or maybe even 1900.

In my part here a good ranch gelding costs about 3 times of the asked price.
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Being myself of the middle aged woman persuasion, If I found a sane, sound, safe, broke horse that did what I wanted and was easy on the eyes, I would pay that price in a minute.

I like him!
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post #10 of 17 Old 01-06-2013, 12:09 PM
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Okay, I read his description and assumed you wanted him to do some work. My bad. So, your objectives are a solid, sure footed guy. Well, first off, don't take taffy w you shopping. Second, given that you don't care about registery....under 5K? Maybe horse prices where you are at are vastly different from the rest of the country, but that is really high for a grade horse. Third, a good working ranch horse is just that, it does not necessarily translate to "good parade horse" (e.g., ride to the store, go passed bicycles, whipping flags, buildings, etc.,.). He does fit most all of your "wants" column on paper. If ya just gotta have him, I hope he works out...but I wouldn't get in a hurry if my "cap" were 5K for a grade trail horse.
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