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#1 ·
I read that walkers are now going to be tested & disqualified if + in competition for soring I have never owned a gaited horse...so forgive my lack of knowledge What is soring?
 
#2 ·
You might just want to do a search here for that. We have had several discussions about this, after news videos came out in the spring and folks went to jail for abuse. You should be able to get your answer there. Or-Google. That works too.
 
#4 ·
the judges, organizers, directors, officers, of the entire TWHBEA, need to be tested and disqualified. That organization is rotten to the core.

Support the National walking horse association. No big lick, no soring, no stacked shoes, and most importantly no directors, judges, or other officers that have been cited for animal cruelty violations.
 
#5 ·
soring is where they use chemicals, devices to make the horses feet sore so that they pick them up higher than normal to achieve the big lick.

im against any types of animal abuse but i think they are going to take the testing too far and could ultimately penalize legitimate trainers. They have a 1 Part Per Million Rule. Anything could possibly trigger a violation. Fly Sprays, Shampoos, Hoove Polish etc. There are so many combination of chemicals in benign everyday products that could possibly trigger a False Positive.
 
#8 ·
100% agreed, Joe. I know there are multiple opinions and "sides to every issue".
In this case, basing my opinions on what I consider to be a well-researched, non-emotionally based viewpoint, my ultimate conclusion is unalterable on my part.

Big Lick/related forms of showing which require similar physiological treatments upon horses bodies, benefit horsepersons and certainly horses not at all--(other than the EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONIES earned by "breeders" and "trainers" involved in this discipline)...from my research I understand a LOT OF MONEY IS AT STAKE.

Thus, it's not likely to be going ANYWHERE soon. Very saddening and disheartening.
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#11 ·
basically an "Open" class show. They put stacked shoes several inches high on the horse to throw its whole body out of position. I have no idea why some people find this desirable, but they do. This is done in additon to doing painful abusive things like burning the horses feet with chemicals, purposely driving horseshoe nails into the wrong place, and all kinds of other crap to get around the letter of the "soring" law, While hypocritical scumbag judges turn a blind eye and pretend they dont know all about it.
Currently the TWHBEA has basically been banned from the national celebration, and the Big lick or open classes have been eliminated. If yo have a TWH, I encourage you to register it with the NWHA, and not be part of the problem by giving money to the TWBEA.
 
#12 ·
I haven't researched this to know if it's true but, if it is, shame on the Humane Society:

There was a blurp on one of the Nashville news stations, from someoe in TWH Industry and I don't know who because I was doing other stuff when it came on TV.

Anyway, that person claims the Humane Society waited EIGHT MONTHS before they released that famous (or infamous) video - allegedly just in time for their big fundraising event. The person making the statement, said "---if they really cared that much, why did they wait eight months to release the video?---"

I don't know how much truth there is to that but I do know that I live 12 miles from the Celebration and haven't attended in several years - don't plan to this year either.

They need to clean house on the judges who keep their truck windows partially lowered so they can envelopes on the seat at the end of the night.

A farrier told me that some of those Good Ole Boy Trainers honestly don't believe they are doing anything wrong.

As has been commented to already, somehow, someway the Trainers need a good house cleaning AND they need a taste of their own medicine right where their family jewels reside -- male or female. Yes, a 20-somehing female was one of the pieces of trash that was brought up on charges in the incident that went to court, I believe, in Chattanooga.

Never in my wildest did I ever think I'd see women directly involved in soring---
 
#13 ·
OP-you really need to see the distorted gait to understand fully, which is why a search would help you.
And the horses are trained to not react when touched to be tested.....they flinch they get beat. At least at some of the trainers.
 
#14 ·
actually I have seen it but had no idea what I was seeing...just trying to educate myself & perhaps someone else reading this. Much of the terminology is foreign to someone like me who has always been around non-gaited horses. So, I apologize if its a pain to answer questions but, actually Joe has been very informative and I appreciate the time he took to explain. No one is asking anyone to "reinvent the wheel" and "educate myself" is exactly what I'm seeking so if it bothers you on a horse forum, please don't bother with my post..its fine with me!
 
#16 ·
Eclipse,

Hi! First off, certainly no member here needs ME to "defend" their position, but I think this is more of a lack of communication thing here than a "rudeness/lack of desire to educate thing...

What I BELIEVE FrankNB was saying was that by Googling it (as I did not so very long ago to learn about soring/Big lick/etc....growing up in Az, this is not a showing style common to our area, thus I'd truly NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER with the concepts when I first came across it)!

Many if us, as I bet you are as well, are SO BUSY, betweenwork/family/LIFE that it helps when someone requests info on a subject which is widely available online everywhere, to encourage the poster to research the basics elsewhere, and come BACK TO HF and ask others to clarify the parts they felt were unclear, ya know?

No sense in a member typing up an hour's worth of the History of Soring during their one to two free hours of the day (like me) when it's EVERYWHERE ONLINE--(the "reinventing the wheel" comment)...

There are TONS of videos as well in you tube showing the many awful aspects of soring to watch as well...

Please don't be put off. HF members, F&B in particular, have/has so much to offer and if you come back with more pointed questions, I bet you'll get better answers and reception in general!

Best to you!!! :0) B2H
 
#22 · (Edited)
Eclipse,

Hi! First off, certainly no member here needs ME to "defend" their position, but I think this is more of a lack of communication thing here than a "rudeness/lack of desire to educate thing...

What I BELIEVE FrankNB was saying was that by Googling it (as I did not so very long ago to learn about soring/Big lick/etc....growing up in Az, this is not a showing style common to our area, thus I'd truly NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER with the concepts when I first came across it)!

Many if us, as I bet you are as well, are SO BUSY, betweenwork/family/LIFE that it helps when someone requests info on a subject which is widely available online everywhere, to encourage the poster to research the basics elsewhere, and come BACK TO HF and ask others to clarify the parts they felt were unclear, ya know?

No sense in a member typing up an hour's worth of the History of Soring during their one to two free hours of the day (like me) when it's EVERYWHERE ONLINE--(the "reinventing the wheel" comment)...

There are TONS of videos as well in you tube showing the many awful aspects of soring to watch as well...

Please don't be put off. HF members, F&B in particular, have/has so much to offer and if you come back with more pointed questions, I bet you'll get better answers and reception in general!

Best to you!!! :0) B2H
yeppers, being a full fledge adult owner of a working ranch I am fully well aware of time constraints but thank you for sharing and you might pass this info on to just about every thread I have read with a ?? that the poster might think some horse person on here might know. cheers to you and once again to the folks that took a moment to answer my ?? thank you, I appreciate your time and now have an understanding about the serious issue at hand. and in no way was ever asking for hours of anyone's time ;)
 
#17 ·
Eclipse,

Hi! First off, certainly no member here needs ME to "defend" their position, but I think this is more of a lack of communication thing here than a "rudeness/lack of desire to educate" thing...

What I BELIEVE FrankNB was saying was that by Googling it it would save lots of time for all involved...(as I did not so very long ago to learn about soring/Big lick/etc....growing up in Az, this is not a showing style common to our area, thus I'd truly NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER with the concepts when I first came across it)!

Many if us, as I bet you are as well, are SO BUSY, betweenwork/family/LIFE that it helps when someone requests info on a subject which is widely available online everywhere, to encourage the poster to research the basics elsewhere, and come BACK TO HF and ask others to clarify the parts they felt were unclear, ya know?

No sense in a member typing up an hour's worth of the History of Soring during their one to two free hours of the day (like me) when it's EVERYWHERE ONLINE--(the "reinventing the wheel" comment)...

There are TONS of videos as well in you tube showing the many awful aspects of soring to watch as well...

Please don't be put off. HF members, F&B in particular, have/has so much to offer and if you come back with more pointed questions, I bet you'll get better answers and reception in general!

Best to you!!! :0) B2H
 
#18 ·
SO SORRY for the double (& now TRIPLE POST...ARGGGHHHHH!)I went to "edit" two things that made no sense and THOUGHT it deleted my whole post so reposted it and lookie here! Yall get to read my long post not ONCE, but TWICE!! Lucky y'all... (huge eye roll!) SORRY! :0)
 
#19 ·
Every time I hear the word soring I just want to throw up all my guts.

Soring is when you put harmful chemicals on your horse (typically TWH) and each time the horse puts its feet down it feels like its hoof is on fire so it snatches it up high to escape the pain. Walkers have been tested for soring. I think every show 100 people are DQed. However loads of people (the inspectors) will let some slide by. There was a video about a lady talking about her horse being sored. When the horse showed signs of being sored the instructor said to go back and 'school' your horse better.


Sored horses, usually do not stand still because of the pain. If they did stand still this is what you would expect it to look like.

http://hollygirl25.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/img00085-20100517-1536.jpg

Lovely right? *major eye roll*
 
#30 ·
Sored horses, usually do not stand still because of the pain. If they did stand still this is what you would expect it to look like.

http://hollygirl25.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/img00085-20100517-1536.jpg

Lovely right? *major eye roll*
If any horse I know was standing like that, I'd be calling every vet in the state, wondering what is wrong with the poor horse.

Also if my horse was moving like this, I'd also be calling every vet in the state. It gets really freaky at 1:36, when the horse that wins (the one with the most abnormal gaits possible), starts to canter. The only thing I can think to compare them to is show line German Shepherds with their floppy hocks, and bad hips. A
 
#21 ·
Even having the knowledge I do have re: all aspects of soring/Big Lick prep & seeing other videos on the subject, I have to say that I wish I hadn't eaten prior to viewing that. I am physically sick to my stomach now and my heart is WEEPING for those poor animals.
I have ice running through my veins at the moment and what I'd like to do to those "trainers", (immediately after freeing and medicating with strong narcotics to provide if but a despairingly brief moment of relief to the horses-- each & every horse at that barn) --is not fit to print on HF. AS WELL, I'd carefully complete my "torture" upon these "people" without the aide of anesthetic of any kind.

Thank you for posting that video for us.
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#23 ·
Ask away, I dont mind blabbing my opinions, usually I can back them up with facts and logic.

The above definition of soring using chemicals was one of the problems. Lawmakers attempting to do good went over board and made it worse. They specifically defined soring as using chemicals. So they went to phsical means and other work arounds.

I strongly encourage you to attend and support the Celebration. The TWBEA has been BANNED from the event. This event is now run by and under the National Walking Horse Association.

The Humane society has there own agenda, some good some bad. Alot of what they do is deplorable as well. IE using animal shelters in all there fund raising adds, yet give little or nothing to local animal shelters. They didnt expose anything that wasnt known all along. The just had the size and clout to get it on national news.

No big lick allowed, enforcement of soring rules and laws using laymens terms. No judges or directors that have been cited for animal cruelty, unlike the entire board of the TWHBEA. I am sure they wont be perfect right away but the NWHA is really trying to clean this up and deserve our support.
 
#24 ·
Agreed, again; that the "good guys" deserve our support AND that the HSoA is sooo underfunding the ANIMALS THEY CLAIM (in their ads which make my husband and me sick, knowing how little of the $$ they are requesting so vehemently actually goes to those "pathetic faces" in the ads!) & how much MORE $$ GOES TO lining their POCKETS!!

We have very VERY little money, but we still give any way we can, even when it is simply through TIME DONATIONS which thus ONLY HELPS ANIMALS & no one gets rich off of monies we certainly do not have in excess to donate. The animals certainly do have a better time in their lives thanks to many volunteers loving on them & providing them with good attentive care!! :0)
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#28 ·
I do have a legitimate question.

The chemicals used are say to cause extreme pain and are literally cooked into the horses legs. I'd expect to see scars but I haven't noticed any. Are they simply using chemicals that won't burn and damage the skin? Are they chemical burns? What exactly happens?
 
#29 · (Edited)
The major chemicals actually cause the skin to die and decay off of the bone. It is disgusting. There are gentler chemicals, like mustard, that gets a similar, less serious effect, without the nastiness involved. Still soring, but there are various chemicals and various results.

Most obvious results would probably hair loss and maybe inflamation of the effected area. Sort of like being burned by something spicy. Your nerves feel it, you get some heat, but not any physical visuals to the burn.
 
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