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    03-30-2009, 11:41 AM
  #1
Weanling
Stumbled Upon this.

I stumbled upon this
And I dunno... what do you guys think about this guy's way of training? I think soft hands, and the general 'press and release for a reward' kind of training for a horse is excellent... but I think this guy has taken natural horsemanship a bit to far. I have never heard of this guy in my life, and I have no idea what his background is with horses. But from this video I see horses pinning their ears, and kicking at his head (sorry I find this a bit humorous when the narrator is mentioning 'perfect obedience'). Gotta love the last part when he is sitting on the horse's stomach while its upside down (disaster in the making).

Here is his website
Nevzorov Haute Ecole
     
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    03-30-2009, 12:09 PM
  #2
Trained
Interesting, did you watch the rest of the vids about him?
     
    03-30-2009, 12:19 PM
  #3
Weanling
Yeah I did. And it just seems like a big circus act to start a 'revolution' like what his website seems be all about.
     
    03-30-2009, 03:39 PM
  #4
Showing
I don't understand what most of those "movements" were supposed to be mimicing.
The "capriole" was off, you could see when he paused the film that one back leg had struck out and the other hadn't. I didn't quite understand the shuffle left and right at the beginning. And the bouncing at 0:40? Not quite sure.
Love how his horse struck out and kicked in his direction at about 1:00
     
    03-30-2009, 03:50 PM
  #5
Trained
HAHA, yeah I saw that kick too. The horse does look a bit on the angry side!
     
    03-30-2009, 06:59 PM
  #6
Banned
I saw these videos last year and was amazed!
Lol I wanted to do that, so I researched it a bit more and found the NHE website, I joined the forum (school as they called it) and began talking to the members (teachers they were called) about it.
One of the first things I didn't agree with was the purpose of the forum. This was where people go to learn NHE. It is very rare to actually have a proper 'lesson'
Instead, the forum members would tell you what needed to be done with your horse.
Firstly, you must STOP riding you horse at all, for at least one year. You should not touch him, he will tell you when he is ready for this. You should spend a great deal of time "with" your horse, in the paddock, just sitting there, not looking at him.
All riding is apparently damaging to the horse, and if the horse is ever ridden it is to be for no longer than 15 mins. Before the horse is to be ridden it is to be taught collection from the ground and then on must be collected whenever you are on its back.
Saddles are all damaging, and must be not be used unless it is treeless. Bits are also, never to be used. There is a video on youtube of Nevzorov talking about the use of bits and all the video footage he used was from one show, where it seemed everyone had terrible hands and tempers.

Also horses are never to be used to compete, instead taking walks beside them seems to be the most favoured option.

There is a neck strap type thing used, I forget what its called. I remember one lady was having trouble with a very badly mannered stallion and was surely going to get hurt. The advice given to her was to use this neck strap whenever she was leading him, and he would then behave. I wonder what happened to her...

I don't know alot about dressage, but I don't see anything special in these videos, to my knowledge the dressage movements apparently being performed arnt correct.
The whole vibe on the NHE forum seemed a bit cultish to me....
     
    03-30-2009, 07:25 PM
  #7
Banned
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Originally Posted by mell    
I don't know alot about dressage, but I don't see anything special in these videos, to my knowledge the dressage movements apparently being performed arnt correct.
The whole vibe on the NHE forum seemed a bit cultish to me....
There is nothing about dressage in those videos or in that schools philosophy. It is more aligned toward Parelli except at least you don't have to pay big bucks for "supplies".
     
    03-30-2009, 10:27 PM
  #8
Foal
For some things it doesn't look to be too bad, I mean we all have our methods that seem to work for us,I don't really know though.
     
    03-31-2009, 01:35 AM
  #9
Weanling
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for some things it doesn't look to be too bad, I mean we all have our methods that seem to work for us,I don't really know though.
Yeah I agree. I do think we should try and be as humane as we can (example = soft hands, no spurs if needed, and as little of the bit 'at least for western style horsemanship' as you can make it)... but to the point of waiting for a horse to tell you its okay to ride him is a bit extreme. I think there is a point of 'oh you need to get over it if you don't like it today.' kinda mantality that needs to be held if you don't want a spoiled horse.

There was a lady at my stable who had a horse who would buck her off if he was having a bad day. She of course wouldn't get back on thinking her horse had a enough of her even though she only got on two minutes before. She ended up giving the horse back to its previous owner because the behavior grew into a day after day thing. (I bet of she got back on and showed the horse that bucking her off wasn't going to get him anywhere and only meant more work, just like most 'bucking fit' cases of this type are solved as)

Life isn't perfect. And getting over that hill, I believe, points us in the right direction if done right.

But then again its all matter of opinion I guess.
     
    03-31-2009, 01:14 PM
  #10
Showing
I only saw the first video. I think it's great to be able to teach a horse all this stuff assuming h did it without beating the animal; but in our industry, what purpose does it serve to know all this stuff?
     

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