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post #21 of 33 Old 11-03-2010, 11:34 AM
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I bet they used the Excuse that it's 'punishment' for the convicts didn't they?
No. They were just human fodder that nobody cared about. No explanations were necessary or ever given.

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I don't believe in capitol punishment.
This is where we hold differing opinions. I think every rabid animal needs to be destroyed, regardless of its species.


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Didn't they get sued like crazy though for doing that to the soldiers?
Some of the cases are wending their way through the courts, but many atrocities were never discovered until after the death of the person in question.

So no, very few cases have been tried. Besides, the people who committed these crimes are all dead now. Who do you suggest the victims sue? 'The government'? The people running the show now weren't even born when this was happening.

I do believe people should be compensated for their pain and suffering, and the government can and should take care of that. As far as bringing any actual people to justice for their crimes, that boat sailed long ago.
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I meant back then, not now
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And as far as capital punishment goes, killing them isn't going to change the fact they murdered someone. Sometimes they just need help not killed, but then again they're better off dead than spent the rest of their life in a looney house or prison.
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And as far as capital punishment goes, killing them isn't going to change the fact they murdered someone. Sometimes they just need help not killed, but then again they're better off dead than spent the rest of their life in a looney house or prison.
Bolding mine.

I really do not care if they (convicted criminals) are better off any where. I do care that I see no reason to pay to keep them comfy with 3 squares a day, cable tv, all the education they want and free medical & dental care when they could not bother to even try to live by the rules of our society and went to the extreme of murdering someone.

I also think living/working inside a prison is dangerous enough and we certainly do not need to make it more dangerous by having a large population of people who know there is nothing else that can be done to them since they are already there for life.
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Yeah you're right
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I really do not care if they (convicted criminals) are better off any where. I do care that I see no reason to pay to keep them comfy with 3 squares a day, cable tv, all the education they want and free medical & dental care when they could not bother to even try to live by the rules of our society and went to the extreme of murdering someone.
I was about to post the same.

Also when they are kept alive there is always a possibility that there will be a change in law (or out of "humanity" because they became old and very sick with something ugly, I do remember couple cases the lawyers applied for tha reason) so they can get out again after 10-20-30 years.
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Yeah I think I've been converted about the capital punishment thing But it doesn't take much for me to change my opinion about things, I'm still learning :P
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I agree, I do not support capital punishment from a revenge point of view - quite honestly, if I was out for revenge, I'd be much happier seeing someone locked up in a cell for the rest of eternity. Don't kid yourself, dangerous offenders typically live in solitary confinement and I'd sure as heck choose death over that any day.

I just believe that if you are a menace to society, regardless of species, you should not have the right to be in society. And we should not be obliged to care for you. If you can't follow the rules and continue to be a danger to everyone around you, then you shouldn't be allowed to exist.

However, I am also very "liberal" about death. I think it's SICKENING how many resources we put into keeping a 90 year old woman with terminal cancer alive and pumped with pain meds just so she doesn't claw her own eyes out. I think it is asinine that we are so terrified of death that suicide and assisted suicide are ILLEGAL. It is my body, it is my life, it is MY decision how I end it.

I'll never forget reading a Reader's Digest article where a woman wrote in about assisted suicide and basically said "Every single day of my life is spent in excruciating pain. If a horse broke it's leg, you would put it to sleep or you would be charged with cruelty. How is it we treat our animals better then we treat our people?"

Obviously a horse can break it's leg and survive, but you get the point of what she was trying to say and it's always really stuck close to home for me.

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Yeah I get the point. And yes I do think they should allow euthanasia for people who are suffering and want it.
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There has been plenty of murder in the way of 'medical research'. IE: Intentionally giving people Syphilis to see the results without treatment, etc.

It's not a punishment so much as they are expendable and people would be less likely to throw a fit if they found out than if they were testing on your average Joe.


ETA:: ACK! There was another page of posts! Ignore this.

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