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        04-11-2013, 11:54 AM
      #21
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    I had some of the best rides on a 14ish hand pony that was all heart. If you wanted to run full lope in to water, than pepper did. You wanted to run barrels, oh heck yes pepper did. Want to put a small child on and go for a walk around the woods yes pepper did. Look for a horse that says "Yes" and is structurally sound to do what you want. In my experience, people tend to miss the forest for the trees in horses. Just because it was not a thousand other people have does not mean that its not going to do the job. Most horses can jump, I rode an arabian that did not know what "refusal" meant. Its no good to get a big, expensive horse if it is not a fun partner.
         
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        04-11-2013, 12:37 PM
      #22
    Yearling
    You might want to check out the Saddlebred... More and more of them are coming out of the woodworks now as sporthorses and doing well. (During the US Civil War they were prized as calvary mounts for their bravery, athleticism, smooth ride, brains and tempement, they also have a history in puissance jumping)

    They tend to be less hot horse than a TB (they can sure look fired up... But they really aren't that way to handle), and less expensive than a European WB. They often have the conformation to make great jumpers (or dressage horses) and the temperment and willingness to try their heart out. They really range in height... But many seem to be on the tall side.

    If you have the ability to do some training, you can find them for $1000-$2500... If you need a horse already well started for jumping/hunters/dressage (many of them start their life as Saddleseat horses so require retraining to use themselves correctly for other disciplines) then you might be looking $2500-$7500+ (depending on what level of riding you want to do and how much show experience the horse has)

    Another little thought of breed that can make excellent jumpers is the Standardbred... Many ex-Trotters (and some ex-Pacers) make absolutely fabulous jumpers. They are often on the taller side, and can be quite substantial bodied. They usually have amazing temperments and due to the fact they are usually started for sulky racing, pretty unflappable too. They can often be found for $500-$2500, and while you might need to do some retraining, you can often find rehabilitation centers that have already done this for you, and you just will need to put a bit of polish on their training. The races are split into Trotters (who trot in harness) and Pacers (who pace in harness) (Ex-Pacers can be more challenging to switch into other disciplines as they tend to pace rather than trot, and can have more difficulty cantering because they move too laterally, though I have seen a number of ex-Pacers doing hunter/jumpers and holding their own... if you look at Standardbreds as an option and aren't wanting a real project, look for ones who were Trotters and have already been restarted for saddle work)

    Draft crosses can be excellent jumpers, some aren't that heavy bodied, and even ones who are can also be quite athletic. I know of quite a few that are doing very well as 1m+ jumpers... You might find the pricetag on them is higher, $5000+, depending on what they are crossed with and how successful the horse actually is though. You can certainly find them for less, but if you are set on wanting to go a certain height, then look first at ones already doing that height and have a full PPE done by a vet you trust.

    Established (trained and showing) horses are often more expensive in any breed, the exceptions being when they start to get older, are having some soundness issues, or have just totally maxed out for ability - something to keep in mind.
         
        04-11-2013, 04:41 PM
      #23
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by TheLastUnicorn    
    You might want to check out the Saddlebred... More and more of them are coming out of the woodworks now as sporthorses and doing well. (During the US Civil War they were prized as calvary mounts for their bravery, athleticism, smooth ride, brains and tempement, they also have a history in puissance jumping)

    They tend to be less hot horse than a TB (they can sure look fired up... But they really aren't that way to handle), and less expensive than a European WB. They often have the conformation to make great jumpers (or dressage horses) and the temperment and willingness to try their heart out. They really range in height... But many seem to be on the tall side.

    If you have the ability to do some training, you can find them for $1000-$2500... If you need a horse already well started for jumping/hunters/dressage (many of them start their life as Saddleseat horses so require retraining to use themselves correctly for other disciplines) then you might be looking $2500-$7500+ (depending on what level of riding you want to do and how much show experience the horse has)

    Another little thought of breed that can make excellent jumpers is the Standardbred... Many ex-Trotters (and some ex-Pacers) make absolutely fabulous jumpers. They are often on the taller side, and can be quite substantial bodied. They usually have amazing temperments and due to the fact they are usually started for sulky racing, pretty unflappable too. They can often be found for $500-$2500, and while you might need to do some retraining, you can often find rehabilitation centers that have already done this for you, and you just will need to put a bit of polish on their training. The races are split into Trotters (who trot in harness) and Pacers (who pace in harness) (Ex-Pacers can be more challenging to switch into other disciplines as they tend to pace rather than trot, and can have more difficulty cantering because they move too laterally, though I have seen a number of ex-Pacers doing hunter/jumpers and holding their own... if you look at Standardbreds as an option and aren't wanting a real project, look for ones who were Trotters and have already been restarted for saddle work)

    Draft crosses can be excellent jumpers, some aren't that heavy bodied, and even ones who are can also be quite athletic. I know of quite a few that are doing very well as 1m+ jumpers... You might find the pricetag on them is higher, $5000+, depending on what they are crossed with and how successful the horse actually is though. You can certainly find them for less, but if you are set on wanting to go a certain height, then look first at ones already doing that height and have a full PPE done by a vet you trust.

    Established (trained and showing) horses are often more expensive in any breed, the exceptions being when they start to get older, are having some soundness issues, or have just totally maxed out for ability - something to keep in mind.
    i wanted a horse with all four gaits
         
        04-11-2013, 04:44 PM
      #24
    Trained
    Saddlebreds and (trotting) Standardbreds do have all four gaits. Pacers have an extra gait (the pace). All horses have the four standard gaits (walk, trot, canter, gallop), just some have an extra gait (or two). The extra gait(s) are called the intermediate gait(s) and fall usually between the walk and trot.
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        04-11-2013, 04:49 PM
      #25
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
    Saddlebreds and (trotting) Standardbreds do have all four gaits. Pacers have an extra gait (the pace). All horses have the four standard gaits (walk, trot, canter, gallop), just some have an extra gait (or two).
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    but the Tennessee walker can't trot, can't they?
         
        04-11-2013, 04:53 PM
      #26
    Trained
    Yes, they can. They just usually don't because their intermediate gait is more comfortable/natural for them. Also, a gaited horse's trot tends to be rather bone-jarring, as they are not built in such a way that the trot is a comfortable gait (same with the canter).

    However, I don't recall anyone suggesting you get a TWH. Saddlebreds aren't even considered gaited horses, to my knowledge.
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        04-11-2013, 04:53 PM
      #27
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    well.... hampton is 15.2 but I am 12 and 5.7 lol I was looking more along the lines of a skinner built horse that has all four gaits and can be pretty tall so it takes awhile to grow out of. Or never grow out of
    Some people already beat me to the punch but you are not to big for that horse at alllll. I am 5'4 and ride a 14hh quarter pony. My friend is 5'9 and rides a 15hh quarter horse. As long as he can still jump you should be fine. Unless you are looking to retire him. But I still see no need for a 17hh + just to jump. Have you ever stood next to a horse that tall? Its a lot of horse, stocky or not. If I were you I personally would stick around 16hh...,then again I like them short and stocky!
         
        04-11-2013, 05:25 PM
      #28
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Casey02    
    Some people already beat me to the punch but you are not to big for that horse at alllll. I am 5'4 and ride a 14hh quarter pony. My friend is 5'9 and rides a 15hh quarter horse. As long as he can still jump you should be fine. Unless you are looking to retire him. But I still see no need for a 17hh + just to jump. Have you ever stood next to a horse that tall? Its a lot of horse, stocky or not. If I were you I personally would stick around 16hh...,then again I like them short and stocky!
    well I might be selling my horse considering he trys to kill me every day lol but the is a different subject. I tried 14hh pony and she was way to small so then I tried hampton and he is just high enough lol
         
        04-11-2013, 05:31 PM
      #29
    Trained
    It's a personal preference. I'm 5'7" and I prefer a taller, bigger bodied horse because I'm all leg (32" inseam). I've ridden everything from a 14hh quarter pony to a 16.3hh QH and I just prefer a taller horse. Aires (my gelding) is 16.2hh right now and perfect. If he gets taller, great. If not, not that big of a deal.
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        04-11-2013, 05:33 PM
      #30
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by DraftyAiresMum    
    Yes, they can. They just usually don't because their intermediate gait is more comfortable/natural for them. Also, a gaited horse's trot tends to be rather bone-jarring, as they are not built in such a way that the trot is a comfortable gait (same with the canter).

    However, I don't recall anyone suggesting you get a TWH. Saddlebreds aren't even considered gaited horses, to my knowledge.
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    there are some 5 Gaited Saddlebreds around, but very very few, the breed is sometimes included in the gaited group, but few are actually extra gaited... Usually with Saddlebreds, if they show they tend to move laterally as well as square at the walk a trainer might decide to develop the ability into extra gaits. Most of them ride like any other horse though (IMO they are very comfortable in all gaits) - I own 3 and they all W/T/C and Gallop (one also has extra gaits... She was a Pony Club mount and did well). I do almost everything we have opportunity to do with horses around here with them...Dressage, Barrels, Jumping, Trail, Games, etc. They are a great breed option, that often gets unfairly overlooked.

    Likewise, trotting Standardbreds move like any other horse too. Pacers can, but they will also pace (and can be taught to running walk and rack as well)... Which is why I suggested narrowing Standardbreds to those who were-are trotters... It is easier to develop them for riding.
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