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        06-08-2012, 12:27 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    My trainer pays a part if her horses go. If her son goes, she pays two, hers and his.
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        06-08-2012, 12:30 AM
      #12
    Trained
    No, she would not contribute to her own costs. At least not in my world, the trainer doesn't pay for anything except if they show their own horse, they pay their own entries. All of us get together and take him & his wife out for meals or we pay on our bills, and we all make potluck meals for breakfast, lunch and snacks while we're at the show grounds.

    The barn I train with is HUGE, routinely take 30 to 40 head to a show, so we're talking semi-trucks hauling the horses, stall drapes, a 'lounge' and hot and cold running barn help, especially at Nationals.

    When I occasionally want to bring a young horse to the show, I 'stall in' with my trainer even though he doesn't train my babies and show them myself. I still pay my share of all expenses and for that I still get to have his barn help groom and ready my horses as well as feed, muck out, etc. I don't lift a finger except to show or take a lesson. Takes a WHOLE lot of the stress off. If I had to cut corners, and sometimes I do, I'd rather rent an extra stall and sleep in it on a cot than to go to a show without my trainer and his help!
         
        06-08-2012, 12:45 AM
      #13
    Super Moderator
    All I know is your husband is some kind of saint to be woken up in the very early morning, haul the kids out of bed, drive you two and a half hours, then turn around and bring the kids back. My God! My husband would laugh if I asked him to do that for me.
         
        06-08-2012, 12:51 AM
      #14
    Trained
    LOL you're right Tiny! My husband would be singing this:

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        06-08-2012, 12:59 AM
      #15
    Yearling
    You are right, he is a saint, especially because he thinks horses are an incredible waste of time and money - but he loves me and knows this show was really important to me.

    We had requested pattern classes and high points from our state club, and they responded by giving them to us, and when my schedule shifted to that weekend, I was so depressed. I was supposed to get off at 6 am, but had to bribe my relief to come in 2 hours early so I could get there on time. My hubby didn't want me driving on no sleep, so he took me up. It's nice to be loved :)

    And if I could like the singing duck a hundred times, I would - I laughed out loud at that! :)
         
        06-08-2012, 03:01 AM
      #16
    Foal
    For a single day of showing (jumpers once, mostly events) the trainer I used to have only charged $50 and she helped me warm up, made sure to go over EVERYTHING with me and watched my class if she could. She brought her own horses to ride but could manage her time between herself and students. She is in her 30s though so maybe it's something that comes with time and practice. Obviously we didn't have other expenses then but I never got to showing bigger things with her.
         
        06-08-2012, 08:42 AM
      #17
    Yearling
    I feel that something inherent to the discrepancies between opinions regarding this thread is levels of showing/trainers/etc...not to indicate that ANY RIDERS or trainers are better/worse, etc...however, in the case of Anebel & Dreamcatcher, my ASSUMPTION (you know what they say about assuming!) is that they are showing/training on a level warranting the higher fees being paid by them(???) Their trainers are older, perhaps more involved in being there, 100%, AS TRAINERS, in an über "professional"capacity...their reputations/livelihoods I ask guessing are completely dependent upon their aptitude, not only at home, but at show as well, thus, it is inherently understood that they will be cared for financially at show due to the level of care THEY IN TURN are providing the riders.

    I am possibly WAAAY off here, and I mean NO DISRESPECT whatsoever in my assumptions. I guess I just see that there are "levels" of professionalism certain trainers adhere to. If this is the case, the fees and the like are consistent with said levels. This trainer you work with, OP, is no doubt great at what she does! Being young though, and working equally hard to rise through the ranks as a rider while "double-timing" @ important shows may cause her to have to make a choice at various times, regarding where her FULL ATTENTIONS will be at show...on the horse/rider pairs she has trained with during the out-of-show time, or with her own riding and such.

    I again do not, nor have not ever shown on these levels, so I could be way off. I guess from a common sense approach based upon what I have read here, this is the opinion I have come away with.

    I don't feel your trainer, OP, will be offended with a frank discussion on your AND HER expectations at show; not only financial expectations, but also time/how she views her level of responsibility to you if she has come with you to the show in the CAPACITY OF YOUR TRAINER.

    Just my $.02 worth...Very best of luck to you!!
         
        06-08-2012, 09:44 AM
      #18
    Trained
    B2H, you're correct. The barn I train with is huge and the trainer is a NC producer many times over and the fees are commensurate with that. The entire show team is dedicated to making sure the clients have a very luxurious experience, right down to the last item. I picked up my own mounting steps at Nationals because everyone was incredibly busy and carried it back to the barn and they almost had a complete meltdown because "I shouldn't have had to do that ever" and especially not at Nationals. They were totally embarassed, while I didn't think anything of it because at home there sure enough wouldn't have been anyone to carry that step, never mind saddle my horse, bathe and groom my horse, etc etc. So yes, I have a very high level of expectation from them. But my point was, for that money at the show, everything is done and they are scheduling masters and if for some reason they can't be right there when I'm in one ring, say a child is in another, they make sure SOMEONE is and that I'm never alone and they let me know what's going on beforehand. That's why I said, for $170 I wouldn't expect a whole lot. Especially if that included the hauling, my trainer would charge more than that to load the horse.
         
        06-08-2012, 12:09 PM
      #19
    Weanling
    We pay $60 per day plus mileage if our barn hauls. Our trainer doesn't ride or enter her own horses because she considers it a conflict of interest to compete against her students. And it prevents any misunderstandings like the one the OP is having. I agree with the others that you should just have a talk about what level of support is expected at the shows. It may simply be a miscommunication.
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        06-08-2012, 03:08 PM
      #20
    Trained
    B2H, yes you are correct.
    However, considering my coach's students regularly make up 50% of the FEI Advanced classes, we do not all get the same warm up. When we are all riding back to back and there are the 4 or 5 of us, only 2 can have headsets and the other 2 or 3 get yelled at. We all pay the same warmup fee as if we were the only ones in the warm up.
    A few years ago my coach was also showing and preparing for the WEG, so we also had that to contend with. However we usually all ended up helping her groom/braid/etc.. to get into the ring on time. On a clients horse, she basically just shows up at the mounting block and the client brings the horse to her.
         

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