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        08-24-2010, 11:43 AM
      #1
    Weanling
    Uh..No. You Don't (ranting)

    Like many first-time horse owners, before I was always "Oh, I want to breed Tango! I want to be able to have her baby around when she's gone!" But then I started researching and reading stories about breeding (mostly on here), and I have decided no, I pretty much don't ever want to breed her. Even under the most ideal and healthy conditions, stuff can still go wrong, and I could even lose Tango in the process. Besides, apart from her good manners, quiet nature and intelligence, she really doesn't have a dazzling amount of good qualities. It would be much easier just to buy a good, already-broke horse rather than spending money on raising a baby for 4 years.

    So anyways, I have come to this conclusion, but my sister and her boyfriend have not. As some of you may know, they own Lily, but my sis is afraid of her and the bf lazy, so they NEVER come over-once every couple months, if you're lucky. She's not broke yet, doesn't even have proper ground manners, and already the bf (the great hillbilly horseman he is) is saying: "She's going to throw some beautiful colts". Uhmmmmmm.......what?! Why would you even be thinking about that at this point? There are so, sooooo many reasons why they should NOT be breeding her:
    1) She has not shown any spectacular qualities yet (she hasn't even been taught how to properly behave on the lead, her confirmation is average)
    2) She had a huge "mysterious" accident when she was young which has left her with nasty scars, and may hinder her from leading a sound life. Not only that, but her sire has a history of leg injuries from the track-why would you even take the chance to pass that on, even if it's not genetic?
    3) The bf was supposedly raised with horses (his family does have a herd), yet he doesn't know how to properly handle Lil; sister is terrified of Lily-what makes them think that if they don't want to and can't take care of Lily now that they'd ever have the experience or ambition to care for a foal. Oh wait, they wouldn't have to because it would be me and dad paying for it, feeding it and taking care of it, even though we don't have enough experience to be taking care of babies either.
    4) There is NO market for light riding horses, let alone unbroke babies, around here. They'd be lucky to get $100 for the foal (assuming, of course, they sold it as a baby). That's after the vet bills, feed, etc that you need to keep mother and baby happy. But no, it would be dad paying for everything, and sister and bf would get the money.
    5) Did I mention Lily is TWO? They shouldn't even be thinking of breeding her at this point! They should be out here, working with her and looking towards getting her trained (which I have no doubt dad will end up paying for) before even considering getting a baby out of her.

    Gah!!! It makes me SO mad! And it's not even like if I showed my sister all the bad stuff that could happen that it would affect her-she'd probably just be glad she wouldn't have a horse on her conscience to look after any more if Lily died or was injured. They mentioned it while dad's friend was standing there, and the friend (who is close with our trainer so he knows what he's talking about) was shocked as well and was trying to discourage them from breeding.

    As long as I still live here and have a say, I will not let them breed Lily. 'Cause you know what? As soon as Lily's broke, dad is going to be yelling at ME to ride her because he spent all the money on her training. She'll still be green, unsafe (I don't have the skill or confidence for a green horse), and she's not even mine! Why should I get hurt on a horse whose owners are too selfish to come over and care for her? And then when the baby's born, it's going to be ME who has to look after it, and ride it when it gets broke, and I never wanted either of these horses or had a say in anything. So yeah, I am not looking forwards to it. I still just really wish they would simply sell Lily, since they clearly have no ambition to do anything with her, so that more room would be free in the field and we can get a real, broke horse. But if they know I want Lily gone, my sister will keep her just to p*ss me off-because she's that type of person.

    My dad has talked about breeding his in passing as well -.- Ok, his do have pretty good confirmation, but they have no real desirable personality traits, they aren't registered, and as I've mentioned before...WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OR FACILITIES TO BE RAISING FOALS!!!! I'm not so worried about him actually going through with it though-once I expressed my dislike of the plan, he hasn't talked about it since. He probably would if I wanted to (because I'm a spoiled daddy's girl and have so much power over him) but as long as I continue to hate the plan, I really doubt he'd actually do anything, so I'm not too worried about him.

    *Sigh* I am finished with my rant. Cookies and pizza to all if you found that a long read. Just irresponsible breeders make me so mad! I'm glad I stopped myself from becoming one. Do you guys have any similar stories about those "backyard breeders" that only want a baby for the sake of having a "kyooot wittle horsie"?
         
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        08-24-2010, 11:55 AM
      #2
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ilyTango    
    Just irresponsible breeders make me so mad! I'm glad I stopped myself from becoming one. Do you guys have any similar stories about those "backyard breeders" that only want a baby for the sake of having a "kyooot wittle horsie"?
    Ily, welcome to my world. It's a dark and scary place sometimes.

    I have more stories than I can possibly relate. Most of them don't end well for the horses, unfortunately.

    There are several folks on this very BB I can think of who want to breed, yet don't have the first clue about what they're breeding FOR other than to get a 'kyoot baybee'.
         
        08-24-2010, 12:00 PM
      #3
    Banned
    Needless breeding actually makes me sad. Of any animal. I can understand peoples desire but with animals, we are responsible for their choices. I would love to have a foal. Love it. I would also love a high caliber reining horse. I would do both a terrible injustice. The worlds supply of unwanted horses is at capacity. I would much rather get a rescued baby than breed one of my own.

    I know what you are feeling, Tango. My BO commented to a friend that now that I am working her draft...maybe she could breed her. Get one of those 'warmbloods' out of her. I almost threw up.
         
        08-24-2010, 12:02 PM
      #4
    Showing
    Cori, why do ignorant people think you can get a warmblood if you breed a coldblood and a hotblood? Dammit folks, that's NOT the way it works! Gah!
         
        08-24-2010, 12:08 PM
      #5
    Banned
    I know. And you know. And most people know. She doesn't.

    Rosie is beautiful...in her own way. She has quite a few blatant conformation flaws and isn't exactly the 'light draft' type. Not to mention she is so overweight she hasn't had a heat cycle in over a year.
         
        08-24-2010, 12:16 PM
      #6
    Weanling
    Then there are the A-hats that prey on the ignorant. My first horse was the mare from H*!! Some local...ahem...."professionals and show horse" breeders convinced my poor ignorant father that the solution to her behavioral problems was a foal. That would settle her right down (and get them some breeding fees & boarding charges too). Luckily for everyone concerned, that mare outsmarted everyone and had a false pregnancy.

    What kind of person sells breeding as the solution to a rearing, bucking, run-a-way horse?
         
        08-24-2010, 12:21 PM
      #7
    Showing
    BigGrey, I can go you one better than that.

    I was acquainted (not friends) with someone who kept their fugly Arabian mare preggo all the time because, and I quote, "She's nice when she's pregnant, so we just keep breeding her. Otherwise, she's an evil bitch who will go after you."

    Um, yeah. Let's breed on that temperament, not to mention her conformational trainwreck of a body.
         
        08-24-2010, 01:15 PM
      #8
    Yearling
    I understand this completely. I know people who did the same thing BigGreyHorse is talking about.
    And unregistered stock paint, with all kinds of conformational flaws. They just bred her cause she threw on of them into a fence, struck someone, has no manners, and gets scared of her own shadow. But by breeding her... she's going to magically calm down. They have 10 horses, and only 1 of which to me is a nice horse.

    I have a baby I bred for and raised. He's 2 now. And an awesomely built little horse. But It took me a year of research on both parents sides to decide. And while he is the ugliest colored, his confo is darn near perfect and he's a sweetheart.

    It just kills me when people don't think and research before breeding. As you said Tango. There are no gaurantees about the baby or mare. If you don't want to take on the "problems" that may occur... go buy one.

    *EDIT* And SR, those people... just wow. I think we should have to have liscenses to breed.
         
        08-24-2010, 03:44 PM
      #9
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
    I was acquainted (not friends) with someone who kept their fugly Arabian mare preggo all the time because, and I quote, "She's nice when she's pregnant, so we just keep breeding her. Otherwise, she's an evil bitch who will go after you."
         
        08-24-2010, 03:53 PM
      #10
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Cowgirl140ty    
    I understand this completely. I know people who did the same thing BigGreyHorse is talking about.
    And unregistered stock paint, with all kinds of conformational flaws. They just bred her cause she threw on of them into a fence, struck someone, has no manners, and gets scared of her own shadow. But by breeding her... she's going to magically calm down. They have 10 horses, and only 1 of which to me is a nice horse.

    I have a baby I bred for and raised. He's 2 now. And an awesomely built little horse. But It took me a year of research on both parents sides to decide. And while he is the ugliest colored, his confo is darn near perfect and he's a sweetheart.

    It just kills me when people don't think and research before breeding. As you said Tango. There are no gaurantees about the baby or mare. If you don't want to take on the "problems" that may occur... go buy one.

    *EDIT* And SR, those people... just wow. I think we should have to have liscenses to breed.
    Ugly color? There is no such thing :)
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