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    03-11-2013, 09:39 PM
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OP, I think what Phly meant was, "No more hugs and kisses" immediately - When greeting your horse at the gate/pasture/stall, etc. if your horse is that agressive, then a firm yet gentle hand/voice is needed right away to remind him of his place. After respect is succesfully gained, of course hugs and kisses can follow - Please remember this is a huge animal weighing 1,100 lbs, and whether we like to think of it or not, we could be killed instantly if things go wrong. Your horse will not think you're "mean" if you handle him firmly and withhold the nuzzles until after. He'll be more like, "Hey, she's my leader, and I respect her!".
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    03-11-2013, 09:51 PM
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See..I've never ended up with a headshy horse, but everytime I've handled a horse that nipped, they got hit wherever I could (usually the face).

Dude tried pinning me again the wall in his stall and biting and he got a full on punch to the face. Never again tried to bite me, nor was he headshy.

Lucky tried to bite me twice (a longish break between the times I saw her). First time she got a BIG shank with the chain (working on showmanship/halter) and run backwards across the arena. Second time she got my elbow as hard and fast as I could because I'd have missed her if I hadn't been so fast and hard, I was trying to pick her hoof. Never was she headshy with me, only others that would poke or slap her when she tried to bite.

Fancy tried to lunge and bite me..She got knuckles smack dab in her nose and bared teeth. Never was she headshy, I could hug and pet her face anytime I wanted.

Sweet Thing tried to bite me three times. My fault because usually less is more with her and I only stuck my finger in her face or smacked her lightly. I got fed up and actually hit her the third time, never again did she try to bite me, not even a nibble.

Alahna tried to bite me once so far..She got a huge shank on the chain in time with an elbow and run backwards. Hasn't done it since.

I won't say it will work for every horse (especially if they're use to fighting back), it's just what has worked with me and the people's horses I learned from. Me punching is nothing that's going to do any permanent damage to a horse.

I do agree with the moving of the feet though. But, if that didn't work I'd try punching him as hard as you could (seeing as you're a young female and I'm assuming you don't work out and lift too much lol) and see if he still tries to fight back after that.
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    03-11-2013, 09:54 PM
Since this is happening only when he is untacked and in the paddock, backing him in a typical manner won't work. I would never approach him in the paddock without some kind of a tool that can instantly make me bigger and give me a longer reach. If he does ANYTHING agressive at all, react immediately and react big and react fast. The bigger the threat, the bigger the reaction but it must be immediate. Don't wait for the nip.

React big means varying levels of arms in the air, loud voice (not screaming, but LOUD - practice this away from him. Try to keep your voice at a speaking level or lower pitch and think MAD). Use of a long whip makes you much bigger. Use of a crop is helpful. I had a stallion that I would never approach without a target tipped arrow in my hand. He was not allowed to approach me any closer than the length of my arm and the arrow combined. If he did, he walked into the tip of the arrow. That thing hurt.

What is his body language before he nips you? Sounds to me like he is being territorial. Does he approach you or do you approach him? How old is he? Is he gelded? How many other horses are in the paddock when you go there?

Also, keep good tabs on his behavior at all other times. Don't let him get away with any dominating behaviors at all. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile!
    03-11-2013, 09:59 PM
Yelling won't so anything. You have to think like a horse, especially if he's loose. You're going to have to move his feet. Take a lunge whip, dressage whip or carrot stick with you into the paddock. He puts one toe out of line and you get after him like white on rice. Make him think the world is ending. Don't hit him. Heck, don't even touch him with the whip unless he comes at you. But MAKE. HIM. MOVE!!!!
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    03-11-2013, 10:03 PM
Lol the thing is.....I'm actually quite strong although not many people believe me...but Luca is stronger. Something I've found that every time I approach him and he puts his ears back, I have just started giving him the command to 'stand'. Luca LOVES WORK and groundwork amd LOVES being given a task. So when he makes his UGLY FACE I just tell him STAND in a firm but gentle voice, just like I do when I do groundwork. He immediately focuses and stands nicely and I tell him GOOD BOY and he relaxes, but waits patiently for me to tell him something else to do. If I start patting and scratching him, he accepts it and relaxes. Strange horsey.

Btw, he is PERFECTLY behaved in-hand, no biting or resistance or alpha behaviour.

So now I think his mind goes something like this:
IF SHE WANTS ME TO DO A TASK, SHE IS IN CHARGE. Or something like that what do you guys think? Good solution? Or not...?
    03-11-2013, 10:07 PM
Luca is 6 years old, has one paddock mate who is actually an alpha over Luca but not over me, and he's a Standardbred. Very well behaved other than on the paddock. Only is aggressive if the paddock mate is near. Sometimes he comes over to me, but he is less aggressive then, he is worse when I come over to him.
    03-11-2013, 10:08 PM
I don't think he gets why you are hitting him on the nose. I agree with all other posters that moving his feet will help instead of just smacking him. He doesn't really see that as a correction from how his reaction is.
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    03-11-2013, 10:08 PM
Yes, by giving him a task you are taking control. Definitely helps.

Drafty - I disagree. Yelling does help, but only if used in appropriate situations. If we yell all the time at every little thing, of course it means nothing. Yelling is just an elevation of a firm voice, but instaneous and hugely distracting.
    03-11-2013, 10:11 PM
Hmm. When he nips he immediately raises his head to get out of my hands reach...I think he knows I will slap him. Which I won't anymore. But what do you think about giving him the command to STAND. He seems to react to that very well. As soon as I tell him to STAND, he returns to normal mode and does as he is told, standing there in a relaxed way, letting me go near and pat him.
    03-11-2013, 10:15 PM
Yay! Thanks NorthernMama! I'm glad to know that this will help

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