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    03-12-2013, 01:00 AM
  #31
Foal
Agreeded with many post here. Light that horse up. Maybe have a crop/ carrot stick with you, and as soon as he does this I would hit him in the mouth, then hit his chest repeatedly with the crop/carrot stick telling him to back off!! Quickly. John Lions says you have 3 secounds to "kill" your horse once it shows any aggressive behavior.
     
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    03-12-2013, 03:21 AM
  #32
Weanling
Believe it or not...that actually sounds fun....exploding and scaring the living day lights out of my horse.... Today, I went to him (before reading the latest posts on here). He gave me an ugly look but didn't do anything. So I went and stroked his neck while talking in a firm voice, just as a warning to him. He listened to me and relaxed. Okay...he's a weird horse. But I'm happy about what happened. But if he does try to lunge at me, I'll be sure to explode with an over the top war dance screaming THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!! YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS, LUCA!!!!! Trust me, I will.

I'll keep ya updated!
     
    03-12-2013, 09:12 AM
  #33
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher5    
No hugs and kisses???? That's impossible I could never live without hugging my poneh...but I don't give him any treats anymore and this seems to improve his behaviour. Ah, I forgot to say, he only does this when he's not haltered, only when I approach him on the paddock with nothing with me. Oh...and anything physical I do to punish him makes him furious and he attacks back. But I will try yelling loud at the same time so that it's like a double blow, so that he forgets to attack again. I will try....I'll keep you updated on him!
And that is the crux of your problem.

And he is not getting furious and attacking back, he is establishing pecking order, and is one upping you.

You are making this worse by the kisses/hugs/slappy slappy deal, as all it is doing is telling him to step it up, and put you in your place.

Continue as you are doing? He will up the ante to strike at you and roll you, if not double barrel you.

Your handling skills need work, and I would also imagine there are quite a few other things that he is doing to show you that he is in charge, but you aren't experienced enough to recognize them.

And if he is doing this in paddock when loose? I would say something you are doing is extremely irritating to him when you have caught him up, either your riding is sloppy, you are aggravating him, or your voice is pitched too high, and you jabber too much.

There is NO correction that you can do if this is happening when horse is loose, that will not eventually lead to you spitting out a mouthful of your teeth. That is coming, not if, but when.

If any of this is occurring while tacking, before you correct, you need to check saddle fit, bridle fit, and your tacking mechanics, as any and all of this could cause these problems.

Once those have been eliminated, then don't make horse move, or hit or yell. When horse swings around to bite, merely raise up your bent arm and let him run head into point of elbow, while you make no indication that anything has happened. No force with this move. Ignore that it is happening. You can also use a stiff brush in hand, or horseshoe nail between knuckles of hand, so that horse runs muzzle into nail/brush and teaches himself not to do it.

But again, I feel you have a lot of holes in your own skills when it comes to handling horses, and you need to fix those, before you try to fix the horse.
     
    03-12-2013, 11:55 AM
  #34
Trained
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher5    
. He gave me an ugly look but didn't do anything. So I went and stroked his neck while talking in a firm voice, just as a warning to him.
No! Ugly looks are just as unacceptable as the actual biting! That means he's *thinking* about doing something to you. Unacceptable! He should not even be thinking about challenging you. It should be so firmly imprinted on his min that you are the alpha and you are in charge that challenging you or harming you should be the absolute furthest thing from his mind. And then you go and reward him for making an ugly face (which is what you did, in his mind)? He didn't "do anything" (physical) to you because I his mind, you had already backed down, just by him looking at you. Again, watch a herd of horses...the boss mare will get her way in an established herd, just by throwing out a look (we affectionately call it the mare glare). The rest of the herd knows that if the boss throws out that look, they need to back off. Your horse has, in his mind, done the same as that boss mare. He's so far the alpha that he can get you to do what he wants with just a look now.

If he makes a pissy face at you again, DO NOT back down. Make him think the world is ending, just for *thinking* he can dominate you. If you don't, it's just a matter of time before he decides to up the ante and go after you to put you in your place once and for all.
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    03-12-2013, 12:09 PM
  #35
Green Broke
"He gave me an ugly look but didn't do anything. So I went and stroked his neck while talking in a firm voice, just as a warning to him."

Exactly what did this do to show him you were warning him?

Petting him is the worst thing you can do, because you just showed him that he can act however he wants, and you will reward him.

And this type of handling, or lack of same by owners, is exactly why horses end up in KP, because someone let this type of thing continue.
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    03-12-2013, 12:29 PM
  #36
Super Moderator
With regard to stroking/loving on a horse; if you must, and I totally understand the desire to do so, do it very briefly. Leave him before he gets snarly about it. AND, even if he is enjoying a good scratching from you, leave him before he has had enough.

If you walk toward him in the paddock and he gives you the stink eye, then do something that makes him break out of that thought. It can be scuffling the ground real loudly, it can be slapping the ground with your leadrope, it can be chucking a rock near him (don't hit him!). Anything that makes him put his ears forward. Then pause, see if he'll look at you with curiosity, turn your body slightly to the side (I mean face your core off to an angle, not straight at him) and see if he'll walk toward you. If he does, stop him when he's about 6 feet away. Use your hand with the rope in it to tell him "Right there". Then you walk up to him, pet him just once or twice, (don't love on him heavily) and you walk away.

This is how you can approach him in the pasture. If when you approach, his "stinkeye" is really bad, then not only do you do something to interrupt his thought, but you do it so strong that he actually moves away from you. But try softer first, such that you can get him to put his ears forward. IF he pins harder, then get big , BIG! And shush him off fast. I bet he'll run a few feet then turn around with curious ears and eyes and say, "who's that? I think she's more important than I thought!"
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    03-12-2013, 03:56 PM
  #37
Weanling
Alright, I'm sorry, IM SORRY! I realised I did a big mistake there, by patting him!

Palomine: my riding is NOT sloppy (at least I don't think so...I take vids) , I speak to him in a calm voice and he actually RUNS over to me when I have a bridle in my hand. He's perfectly behaved when tacking up, and when riding, he thoroughly enjoys it. When he is in a paddock alone, he is also a real gentleman. Never pins his ears back then. But when his paddock mate is with him, he gives me ugly looks. So whenever it's just him and me, he's perfect. But in a group of three, he wants to be the boss. But because Fleet (paddock mate) always bullies him at feed times, (Fleet is the alpha of the two of them) Luca takes his anger out on me.

I GOTTA SHOW HIM THAT HE'S DEALING WITH THE WRONG GIRL

I practised some "alpha-ing" this morning, when I was feeding the horses. Fleet gets sugar beet because he's in no work and Luca gets coolfeed extra. So they are both eating when Fleet decides that he likes coolfeed more do he goes over to Luca to steal his food. FLEET ABSOLUTELY KNOWS THAT I HATE IT WHEN HE STEALS HIS FOOD. So there I come, war dancing at Fleet, jumping up amd down--and he goes back to his own food and stays there, eating it peacefully. Did I do it right this time ???

Luca was a sweetheart today. I went to tack him up and he ran over to me happily, letting me bridle him with ease. If anyone remembers my thread about Luca making sour faces when trotting in hand, the prob is solved. He now trots nicely with an alert face, not nipping and keeping with me. And if anyone remembers the thread about the strange head dipping, that's solved too.

Somehow I want Luca to have a hissy fit at me so I can show him who's boss once and for all.
     
    03-12-2013, 04:14 PM
  #38
Showing
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Originally Posted by Dreamcatcher5    

Somehow I want Luca to have a hissy fit at me so I can show him who's boss once and for all.
No no no no. Quit hoping for bad behavior. That is not how an effective trainer thinks. An effective trainer is more like "If he decides to be an ass, I know exactly how to put him in his place so he NEVER does it again! So he learns that his actions were not going to fly with me"

It's not about dominating the horse and getting to be all bossy and mean.. it's about helping the horse understand HIS role in the relationship. He is to respect you, and to listen to your direction.
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    03-12-2013, 06:06 PM
  #39
Weanling
Yes...I know I'm just so weird. But thanks for the advice! So if I'm hoping for bad behaviour, I'm attracting that it will happen, right? Oops.... stupid me.
     
    03-12-2013, 06:18 PM
  #40
Trained
I'm sorry if I came off as harsh. I just don't want to see you end up getting hurt. I know first hand how quickly letting a horse dominate you can get out of hand and I've had to fix the horse's behavior afterward.

To give you an idea, my gelding knows that if he even acts like he's thinking of giving me attitude, his a$$ is mine. He tried to give me attitude once when he was turned out. If he could have talked, afterward he would have been saying "I totally thought the world was going to end and Mom was going to eat me for dinner!!" He was 15hh and a solid 1200lbs as a 2yo. Now as a coming 4yo, he's 16.2hh and a good 1400lbs. He still thinks I'll have him for dinner if he gives me even an ounce of attitude.
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