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        10-14-2012, 11:32 AM
      #11
    Foal
    Oh and that saddle is so not even recognized in the WD world lol.

    Just a normal western saddle. It can be fancy or plain.
         
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        10-14-2012, 11:50 AM
      #12
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Nickers2002    
    ...I personally would hate if they combined something like barrel racing with WD. They are the complete opposite of each other and not every western horse is designed for speed events either ;)
    That is kind of the point. You couldn't breed a horse specifically to be good at both barrel racing AND dressage. It would need an all-round horse. One that could sprint fast and turn tight, but also show some collection, relax and show a high degree of control. Although a horse that was good at it ought to be a fine barrel racing horse...

    And a western horse OUGHT to be one that could work a ranch, and ranch work needs some speed and turning. All just IMHO.

    Maybe someone could invent it, and call it "Barrel Dressage"! I'd pay to go see it...and think highly of both riders and horses.
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        10-14-2012, 11:52 AM
      #13
    Trained
    Nickers - having actually spoken to judges trained in judging WD, it is judged the same as dressage. There is no catering to stock or western breeds or ways of going. A dressage trained WB in a western saddle would clean clock.
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        10-14-2012, 12:14 PM
      #14
    Banned
    Yup a dressage trained WB would clean clock, they just have the bigger movement and extension.....they're bred for it! My QH moves nice, but put him next to a great big Holsteiner.....not a chance, two totally different animals.

    I hate that western dressage saddle.....ack! Will use my reining saddle, plenty of close contact there......
         
        10-14-2012, 12:37 PM
      #15
    Ink
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by bsms    
    That is kind of the point. You couldn't breed a horse specifically to be good at both barrel racing AND dressage. It would need an all-round horse. One that could sprint fast and turn tight, but also show some collection, relax and show a high degree of control. Although a horse that was good at it ought to be a fine barrel racing horse...

    And a western horse OUGHT to be one that could work a ranch, and ranch work needs some speed and turning. All just IMHO.

    Maybe someone could invent it, and call it "Barrel Dressage"! I'd pay to go see it...and think highly of both riders and horses.

    I like the idea of western eventing. I'd maybe like to see more of a trail class than barrel racing, but that's just me. Or you could have both. Trail class would be like your cross country course and barrels would be more like your jumping... Or maybe you could do pole bending instead, those flying changes you gotta learn for dressage would come in handy with that. That would be a fun event to watch
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        10-14-2012, 01:01 PM
      #16
    Started
    I have to say I had never heard of western dressage until a few months ago and then it became all the rage. I think its an interesting idea. I am not a huge fan of conventional dressage because it seems like the focus is on having a warmblood. Which is not in my mind the point of dressage. I also think that dressage should be about the horses movement and skills of the rider not about what bit or tack you have on. It should be dressage is dressage and what you ride in is window dressing. Which would mean its not about you performing the tasks as well as the horse before or after but about your horse performing them to the best of its ability. Sort of like obedience in dogs. Its not judged against the previous dog but against a written standard of what that movement is. Its not about comparing the extended trot of a quarter horse to the extended trot of a standardbred its about what is an extended trot for that specific horse. I would like western dressage to be sort of a mixture of western pleasure and dressage. I don't care for that western pleasure trot and head set (mostly because its dam hard to see if a horse is lame or not at that slow trot) but I am not a huge fan of some of the bits and nose bands used on dressage horses to get their head set.

    I don't like the horses can't do x because they are bred for y argument. Its a horse it can be trained to anything. There are mustangs that do dressage and standardbreds that compete in barrels. If we cop out behind the my horse can't do x because it was bred for y then what is the point of the rider? Really most horses were bred to eat grass but they are ridden around.

    I like the idea of western style eventing. Have a section for trail that would be like extreme trail, a section for reining and a section for either cows or barrels.
         
        10-14-2012, 01:19 PM
      #17
    Trained
    I've never heard of WD until right now, lol.

    Rookie, you have a point to an extent, but the build of the horse definitely affects its ability to perform certain tasks. A pulling-bred horse is not easily turned into a dressage mount. They are not built for it. They can be trained, yes, but the likelihood of making it to the top is slim. It just makes it even more impressive when someone gets into a dressage ring on a Fjord and scores very well. But a well trained WB will almost always beat it. Breeding matters, plain and simple. All horses are athletes, but a runner won't necessarily make a great football player.
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        10-14-2012, 01:21 PM
      #18
    Trained
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    ...I don't like the horses can't do x because they are bred for y argument. Its a horse it can be trained to anything...
    I could train my Arabian mare for barrels, but she'd suck at it. She doesn't have very good acceleration, not compared to a quarter horse. She is all legs, and doesn't turn well. She rarely lies down because those long legs are awkward. But give her some straight lines and about a hundred yards to pick up speed, and she'll move.

    So yes, I could compete with her in barrel racing, or dressage...but I'd lose. It isn't fair to ask the judges to compensate for the horse. That would be like requiring the judge of women's gymnastics to figure out how to judge a 6' tall gal - her body would put her at a disadvantage, and how do the judges compensate for that?
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        10-14-2012, 01:32 PM
      #19
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    These videos are not for comments on the performance - just an idea of the different types of horse that are entering these things
    I am not against any sort of competition that encourages people to go out there and do something with their horses - provided its not going into the realms of cruelty like The Big Lick



         
        10-14-2012, 02:09 PM
      #20
    Weanling
    Mind you, I'm an "English Dressage" rider, but I don't really see the point of WD. Unless it's higher level dressage, pretty much every breed can do it, some with more and some with less challenges. It sometimes helps to have a flashy horse, but in the end most of the judging is on relaxation, rhythm, correctness, and willingness.
    Want to do dressage, then do dressage. Want to invent a new western event, then do that.
    No one with a big warmblood has come up with "english cutting" events and then complains that qh with an english saddle on win the show...
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