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        05-16-2013, 01:31 AM
      #21
    Foal
    The mini is not "hers", neither are the mares he's escaping into the pasture with.
         
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        05-16-2013, 07:39 AM
      #22
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    Green Broke
    I thought she said that the mini had been given to her? Would that not make him "hers" now?
         
        05-16-2013, 11:09 AM
      #23
    Foal
    She has been duped. She does all the training, pays for feed, vet bills, etc but cannot sell or get rid of the mini because it's still "their daughters pony". They basically get a free horse and she gets bashed for it.
    No one else but her has cared this entire time that the mini was in with the other mares. He's been in there for 3-4 months already with no one even bothering to try and catch him. Besides, even if she had him gelded now, there's still another mini stud out there that she has no control over, and none of the horses owners care about him either.
         
        05-16-2013, 11:15 AM
      #24
    Foal
    It's a little annoying that she gets attacked for having her own plans and agenda when these horses are really none of her concern. She's trying to help and everyone here jumps on the bash band wagon as soon as she mentions breeding her own mare (which won't happen until later in the year anyway).
    I know all of these people personally, outside of The Forum. She will do all of this work with the mini and then have it taken away when her cousins realize their daughter now has a cute pony for their kids to play with again. It isn't a good situation to be in, IMO.
         
        05-16-2013, 11:41 AM
      #25
    Foal
    From experience... I have witnessed a mini stallion breed a full sized QH mare THROUGH A FENCE when she layed her big butt down right next to the wood fence. Don't tell me that it's "not possible" or "highly unlikely" or whatever. He is still a stud, and a mare WILL lay down if she wants to be bred so badly. Better safe than sorry...
         
        05-16-2013, 11:58 AM
      #26
    Green Broke
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    My 14.2 hand stallion that is a seasoned breeder could not complete the act on a 16.2 hand tb mare without building a ramp for him.
    Has anyone not seen a young stallion attempting his first breeding? He is clumsy and rarely hits the spot so to speak.
    Also I have yet to see a colt that is a yearling attempt to breed anything.
    My horses run with their dams and other mares until they are 18-20 months old.
    I have yet in 46 years had an "accident".
    I respect your experience, But I have personally seen some of the things you mention as improbable. My cousins had a 18hh percheron mare bred by a 14.2hh paint, both him and her were maidens.(I disagreed with the breeding, but anyways) she gave birth to the most stunning tobiano foal, matured to 16hh, looks like a pinto warmblood.

    I have seen my BO's colt full on ready to breed a mare through the fence, he was 10 months old. My old farrier had to separate a 6 month old colt from the herd(weaning him in the process) because he watched him breed a small broodmare. Thankfully nothing came of it, but he was able to fully breed a mare at that age.

    There was a thoroughbred cross mini filly for sale last year, the add claimed they caught the stallion breeding the mare when she laid down "for a nap". Funny looking little thing.

    OP, if you do not have full control over this horse(cant sell, they can take it back, etc) don't take it. I also think you maybe need to learn to prioritize. If you can't affort to geld him, don't take him. Gelding should also take priority over a computer in my books. I would also be a bit worried, if money is so tight you can't afford to geld him, how would you cope if your mare had severe pregnancy complications? Any ways, hopefully the situation ends well.
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        05-16-2013, 12:02 PM
      #27
    Trained
    For 4 months last summer I had a 17 hand mare running with a 14 hand stud colt. Guess what no colt this year. If my 14.2 hh stallion that is 17 cannot complete the act and is very successful and seasoned, I still find it improbable that a mini YEARLING would be successful.
    If you have a motivated mare maybe but in the 46 years I have owned horses, and all the other people that I know some which do run minis and full sized horses , I have yet to see this miracle performed. Shalom
         
        05-16-2013, 12:14 PM
      #28
    Trained
    Blue spark, I am certain that with the right terrain a 14.2 hand stallion can mate with a 18 hh mare.
    That is how I finally got a successful breeding from star to the 16.2 hh mare.
    A yearling is a different story.
    The 5 yo stallion that a friend and I bred to a mare for the first time mounted in every possible position but the rear.
    By the time he figured it out he was probably shooting blanks and the mare was so frustrated and dripping semen I felt sorry for her and the owner.
    Blue spark I respect your opinion also please be certain of that. Shalom
         
        05-16-2013, 12:21 PM
      #29
    Weanling
    Oh yes it is possible, I had a friend who had a mare that bred to a mini stud unintentionally and the mare ended up having the foal. I also knew a friend who had a Arabian stud that bred to a mini mare and she also had the foal; it is just as big as its mom when it came out.
         
        05-16-2013, 05:33 PM
      #30
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Britt    
    Well, my cousins have 'given' me one of the mini's to do with as I please, but I can't sell it because it originally belonged to their young daughter and they are just going to tell her that i'm training it for her and taming it down, so she won't get all upset...

    Honestly, I kinda wish they hadn't given me the mini, but at least with me, he'll get better care... gelding him at the moment is a no-go, I have way too many other things that I've already planned for that have to get done, such as dental bills, a saddle for my seven year old gelding, breeding my mare, and a new computer... but he will be gelded eventually.

    He's super hard to catch... I had him in the backyard small paddock, but he managed to get out back with the mares around dark... >.<
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    Originally Posted by TheNinja    
    It's a little annoying that she gets attacked for having her own plans and agenda when these horses are really none of her concern. She's trying to help and everyone here jumps on the bash band wagon as soon as she mentions breeding her own mare (which won't happen until later in the year anyway).
    I know all of these people personally, outside of The Forum. She will do all of this work with the mini and then have it taken away when her cousins realize their daughter now has a cute pony for their kids to play with again. It isn't a good situation to be in, IMO.
    You aren't making any sense, TheNinja.

    Her first post she said these aren't her horses, and that's fine. But then her succeeding post apparently one of them is now hers and

    Nowhere in her original post did she mention that her cousins GAVE her a stud mini.. AND he managed to get into the paddock with the mares.

    That is when all the "attacking" (which isn't attacking at all, it's common sense to keep studs away from mares and the OP should know this) happened because she said she rather breed her own mare than geld the mini stud.. to which I said "It'll happen sooner than later free of charge if you don't geld the mini."

    So because you know the details and the situation better than we do since we are on the internet and the OP wasn't clear, you will interpret it as "attacking" which again it is not.

    ~~~

    There are too many backyard breeders either doing it deliberately or doing it by being ignorant (and ignorant only means you lack the knowledge/experience.. it isn't an insult.)

    We are passionate, at least I know I am passionate, about gelding and seperating studs and mares. And only breeding if you feel this horse will benefit the horse world.. not just because 'it's a cutesy wootsy foal'
         

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