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        03-19-2013, 09:24 AM
      #61
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    Teenysomethings that know everything. Here's a newsflash...you've got about 5 drops in your bucket...
         
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        03-19-2013, 09:27 AM
      #62
    Foal
    I for one am glad there are people that "flip" horses, because that's how I got mine:) By the time I got him when he was 8 he'd had 4 or 5 previous owners. I wouldn't have gotten him if he hadn't been sent down that road.

    Now, I've had him for 15 years and have boarded him at 8 different barns. I'd think he has more feelings towards the barn owners/workers than me, because they provide him food, water, turnout, etc. every day, whereas I'd only see him 3-5 times a week (until now, where we both live at the same barn) All I do for him is give him snackies and make him work. Considering that I've removed him from his "home" so many times I guess that makes me just as bad, or worse, than the people that "flipped" him before.

    What grinds my gears in the horse world? Morons. Plain and simple.
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        03-19-2013, 09:28 AM
      #63
    Green Broke
    On the subject of horse trainers buying and selling for profit.


    I personally have always wanted to be a horse trainer ever since I was 11. I crave the buying and selling process. Why? Because I get bored with a horse after about a couple months (depending on the horse). This is why I like babies, always something new.

    The most exciting part of training is a new horse. Its like getting a brand new car, you can't wait to drive it! After a little while you get used to it and start wanting a different car. Its the same concept.

    I crave the training process. I crave the adrenaline rush you get when you swing your leg over a horse for the first time and have no idea what they are going to do. I crave that amazing feeling of getting just those 2 or 3 steps of exactly what you've been working towards for the past week. Once the horse knows its job or just needs "fine tuning". Whats the fun in that? I find riding green and broke horses rather boring (depending on the horse). Because you're no longer teaching them, you are just putting miles on them.

    When I was younger I would never keep a horse more than 6 months. But all of them were vetted, farried, well fed, and well kept. They lived short happy lives with me. I made a point that the horse was better off when it left me than when it first came. So what is so wrong with doing that for a living?
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        03-19-2013, 09:31 AM
      #64
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    - people who give their kids crazy horse hopes and dreams then don't support them achieving them.
    - people without horse knowledge and experience who buy a horse without help and wonder why the horse turns out to be unsuitable
    - people who invest zero time training their horse who wonder why their horse doesn't perform at the level it used to
    - people who allow or encourage bad manners in a horse and then are surprised when something bad happens
    - people who think ill mannered horses are good for timid children
    - trail riders without manners
    - people who don't ride their horse because they're afraid and yet give unsolicited riding advice
    - people with ill mannered horses who give unsolicited training advice
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        03-19-2013, 10:41 AM
      #65
    Foal
    I don't see a problem with flipping horses. Its like flipping houses kind of. You spruce it up, make it better then it was and some new family finds just what they were looking for.
    I do however see a problem in traders that put in minimal effort, a huge price tag, and LIE. If the horse needs to be warmed up with a lunge, tell me. If its green and still new to some things, tell me. If its scared of teenagers with HUGE hair tell me. Don't lie to me and say its seasoned.

    My gears are so worn at this point its basically down to two things.

    Pushy Drama queens (this includes men) - Please tell me more how I know nothing cause im half your age, and didnt have the chance to grow up with your sainted father/mother. Yes I still recall that one incident 9 months ago, with the vet/person/bunny rabbit. I really can't compare any of my pain to yours. Do go on about all your personal issues with your husband/gf/wife/children, cause im here to be your personal therapist obviously. It couldnt possibly be that your horse is in pain, from the lack of dental care, or that she is already hot blooded and you insist on wearing HUGE spurs and have no idea how to relax your leg enough to NOT have them digging into her sides..no obviously not the issue. Im sure those interenet people have no idea what they are saying about your horses. Don't they know that pictures always look worse?

    Common knowlege without the knowledge. Perfect example. Its Welsh NOT Welch.
         
        03-19-2013, 12:35 PM
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    - people who don't ride their horse because they're afraid and yet give unsolicited riding advice
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    I have met one of those before!
         
        03-19-2013, 01:00 PM
      #67
    Weanling
    I've been following along with this debate over if horses have feelings or if they are just a commodity... I am going to remain neutral on this one. I believe that horses are capable of feelings. I'm not saying they are ANYTHING like human feelings, but they do develop bonds with other horses and they can do the same thing with their owners. If a horse is passed around from home to home, they can develop a sour attitude from it because they are never allowed to settle and just be a horse. So in a way, I agree with that side of the conversation.

    At the same time... I agree that horses should NEVER be treated like they have human emotions. That is a sure fire way to get your heart broken, not to mention your pride, your confidence, and maybe a few bones. I am a firm believer in mutual respect when it comes to horses. I love my horse, I spoil him, I have a million nicknames for him, but I know without a doubt that he is, and always will be, just a horse. He will never return my love, but he does respect me and trust me as his leader. That to me, makes him worth more than just your average cow.

    Owning horses just to train them and sell them? I see no problem with that as long as you are a good trainer and are responsible enough to not sell a horse with issues to some 4H'er. Buying and selling to find the right horse for you? Sure. Go for it. Sounds expensive to me, though. Maybe the "wrong" horses will find the right person after you are done experimenting with them.

    My point is... Just be responsible, no matter what you do. Horses deserve to be treated with respect (because they can kill you) and kindness (because they respond better to it). That's all! :)
         
        03-19-2013, 01:08 PM
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    I've been following along with this debate over if horses have feelings or if they are just a commodity... I am going to remain neutral on this one. I believe that horses are capable of feelings. I'm not saying they are ANYTHING like human feelings, but they do develop bonds with other horses and they can do the same thing with their owners. If a horse is passed around from home to home, they can develop a sour attitude from it because they are never allowed to settle and just be a horse. So in a way, I agree with that side of the conversation.

    At the same time... I agree that horses should NEVER be treated like they have human emotions. That is a sure fire way to get your heart broken, not to mention your pride, your confidence, and maybe a few bones. I am a firm believer in mutual respect when it comes to horses. I love my horse, I spoil him, I have a million nicknames for him, but I know without a doubt that he is, and always will be, just a horse. He will never return my love, but he does respect me and trust me as his leader. That to me, makes him worth more than just your average cow.

    Owning horses just to train them and sell them? I see no problem with that as long as you are a good trainer and are responsible enough to not sell a horse with issues to some 4H'er. Buying and selling to find the right horse for you? Sure. Go for it. Sounds expensive to me, though. Maybe the "wrong" horses will find the right person after you are done experimenting with them.

    My point is... Just be responsible, no matter what you do. Horses deserve to be treated with respect (because they can kill you) and kindness (because they respond better to it). That's all! :)

    Very well said!
         
        03-19-2013, 01:13 PM
      #69
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Delfina    
    People who have threads on this very board that go on for pages and pages and pages all about how their saddles don't fit, their horse needs a trainer and so on and so forth and all they do is dismiss everyone else as being clueless when it's quite obvious that it's they are in fact the clueless ones and then go on to start a thread to bash other people on their horsemanship (or lack of it).

    Hi pot, meet kettle!
    Amen!!
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        03-19-2013, 02:11 PM
      #70
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by QuietHeartHorses    
    I've been following along with this debate over if horses have feelings or if they are just a commodity... I am going to remain neutral on this one. I believe that horses are capable of feelings. I'm not saying they are ANYTHING like human feelings, but they do develop bonds with other horses and they can do the same thing with their owners. If a horse is passed around from home to home, they can develop a sour attitude from it because they are never allowed to settle and just be a horse. So in a way, I agree with that side of the conversation.

    At the same time... I agree that horses should NEVER be treated like they have human emotions. That is a sure fire way to get your heart broken, not to mention your pride, your confidence, and maybe a few bones. I am a firm believer in mutual respect when it comes to horses. I love my horse, I spoil him, I have a million nicknames for him, but I know without a doubt that he is, and always will be, just a horse. He will never return my love, but he does respect me and trust me as his leader. That to me, makes him worth more than just your average cow.

    Owning horses just to train them and sell them? I see no problem with that as long as you are a good trainer and are responsible enough to not sell a horse with issues to some 4H'er. Buying and selling to find the right horse for you? Sure. Go for it. Sounds expensive to me, though. Maybe the "wrong" horses will find the right person after you are done experimenting with them.

    My point is... Just be responsible, no matter what you do. Horses deserve to be treated with respect (because they can kill you) and kindness (because they respond better to it). That's all! :)
    Very nice! I agree!

    I do believe that horses have feelings, but you can't compare them to human emotions. I've had days where I swear my horse was giving me a moment of comfort. It wasn't prolonged, but it was definitely there. And if you think of it from an evolutionary standpoint, animals have to get along for a species to survive, thrive, and coexist. Sometimes feelings of affection, comfort, and cooperation are exchanged to help with that process. It's called epimeletic behavior, and it occurs all the time, especially between a mare and her foal, and oftentimes with two mature horses that are grooming each other, or etc.

    I don't have any problem with horse flipping as long as the horse is being bettered. I see too many people that ruin a horse, then blame "that **** animal", and sell it to some unsuspecting person. That kind of behavior benefits no one.

    My personal pet peeves are:
    1.) When someone with an expensive horse downplays the performance of your cheap(er) horse because they weren't incredibly expensive. Price tag means absolutely nothing. As my mother says, "A horse is only worth that much if someone is willing to pay that price!"
    2.) Someone who fits stereotypes to different breeds. Such as, "Quarter horses are only good for western pleasure." Or, "Friesians are only good for pulling carts." Both of which I've had said to me!
    3.) People (or person, rather) who say they "train" horses, and just beat the crap out of them. (In this case, "beating" was hitting the horse on the head with a 2x4 when it reared...)
         

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