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post #31 of 40 Old 11-01-2012, 03:20 PM
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Let's get a lil perspective here folks. A Red Bull has 80 milligrams of caffeine, Monster is 240 milligrams and a cup of coffee can run anywhere from 75-300 milligrams per cup depending on the style of coffee. As a health professional, I advise my patients to keep caffeine intake under 400 milligrams per day otherwise you can cause yourself health problems. Now that's a person...I don't really think 80mg of caffeine would really affect a horse weighing 1000lbs.
My concern is more the fact that different species' systems process different chemicals in different ways - ie the fact that caffeine can be highly toxic to many common pets. Yes, again, it's perspective in regards to the size of most common pets vs. large animal such as horse - but that is more where my thinking goes is how the horse's system will process those ingredients and whether or not there would be adverse health effects.
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post #32 of 40 Old 11-01-2012, 03:27 PM
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It's not really about the Red Bull for me, it's about adding something to your horse to help you cut corners and win.

It's the same thing that people who illegally drug horses do. And if the OPs friend is not fictional, then she will possibly graduate to that.
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My concern is more the fact that different species' systems process different chemicals in different ways - ie the fact that caffeine can be highly toxic to many common pets. Yes, again, it's perspective in regards to the size of most common pets vs. large animal such as horse - but that is more where my thinking goes is how the horse's system will process those ingredients and whether or not there would be adverse health effects.
I did look that up, caffeine is a banned substance in a lot of competitions. Most studies do show that yes it does effect them, but not as bad as you'd think at a lower dose. The one study I noted had horses being given doses of 4mg/kg IV. Meaning they were being given 4mg of caffeine intravenously-different than orally much more potent- per Kg of weight and had no lasting effects.

So...let's say a 1000lb horse = 454kg roughly. So in the experiment those horses were getting 1816mg of caffeine and had 1/2 of the drug in the blood stream 18 hours later and no detectable drug 48 hrs later. Which is why I said 80mg by mouth probably didn't effect the horse very much

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post #34 of 40 Old 11-01-2012, 03:33 PM
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It's not really about the Red Bull for me, it's about adding something to your horse to help you cut corners and win.

It's the same thing that people who illegally drug horses do. And if the OPs friend is not fictional, then she will possibly graduate to that.
Oh I agree, I wasn't trying to minimize the idea of someone giving the horse an energy drink, only pointing out it probably didn't hurt the horse.

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post #35 of 40 Old 11-01-2012, 04:52 PM
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What, you mean one of those "crazy, hot headed, Arabs"???

I know right? The only thing he's going to move quick for is feeding time.
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post #36 of 40 Old 11-01-2012, 04:58 PM
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What, you mean one of those "crazy, hot headed, Arabs"???
I have one. He really does fit all the stereotypes, crazy little bugger!

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post #37 of 40 Old 11-02-2012, 07:32 AM Thread Starter
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I agree she is stupid and she is moving back to germany very soon .and it be very hard to ignore because she is in my class in school and she is my lab partner in school

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post #38 of 40 Old 11-02-2012, 08:09 AM
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Well, I think its weird to feed your horse red bull. I find it funny because its only recently that they started using synthetic taurine as opposed from taurine from bulls. So she fed her horse something from a cow in order to make it be faster over jumps. Which makes me think of a holstein doing a jumper course. I don't think it was enough to make the horse hyper but I think the effect was enough to convince her that the horse would be hyper and thus she treated it like it was hyper and the horse acted hyper.
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post #39 of 40 Old 11-02-2012, 08:13 AM
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It's not really about the Red Bull for me, it's about adding something to your horse to help you cut corners and win.

It's the same thing that people who illegally drug horses do. And if the OPs friend is not fictional, then she will possibly graduate to that.
Agreed - whether it does or doesn't work, the fact remains that the rider is willing to sneak things that they *think* are giving them an edge...
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post #40 of 40 Old 11-05-2012, 09:06 AM Thread Starter
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I agree with Alexs for me it wasn't about what she gave but her thinking giving her horse something would make her win.if she does go up to GP she will probably use drugs on her horse

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