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post #41 of 60 Old 04-25-2012, 02:27 AM Thread Starter
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If you would like your horse to have a bag of hay to munch on, then that's your choice. However, you should have already had it in place. I try to respect my farrier by being on time and having my horses ready. You would do well to remember that good farriers are hard to find.
As in my last post I clearly stated that he showed up early. About 30 m inutes early.

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post #42 of 60 Old 04-25-2012, 02:28 AM Thread Starter
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How do you discipline him when he tries to bite the farrier? I am sure this isn't the first time it happened.....
Since I have been leasing him this is the first time it's happened because the farrier started before I got the hay net.

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post #43 of 60 Old 04-25-2012, 04:38 AM
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I totally disagree that a hit in the face will make a horse head shy if it is timed correctly for something like biting.

Why should your farrier hang around whilst you get a hay net? Time is money. You should
A) Train your horse not to bite.
B) Be ready and waiting for your farrier, not him have to wait for you
C) Stop being so soft with your ill mannered pampered horse that obviously has few manners.

I trust my farrier implicitly - if he whacks one of my horses then I know it is for a reason. Correction should be done instantly and by anyone who is handling the horse - not just the owner.
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post #44 of 60 Old 04-25-2012, 07:11 AM
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I said in my last post he was early that's why I didn't have everything ready. Frankly I don't like your attitude. I'm not whining I was in shock and needed to rant, so if you don't like what I have to say keep your nasty thoughts to yourself and read the whole post before you open your mouth as I clearly stated that HE WAS EARLY.
I am not too crazy about your attitude either, but this IS a forum, and we ARE allowed to disagree. Yes, you are allowed to rant, but, when you rant here, you may just find that not everyone thinks that you are in the right. OK-so I missed that he was 30 minutes early. Did you ASK him to wait? Or was your attitude similar that the one we are seeing and TELL him? How you say it is everything. Bottom line is.... and I don't seem to be the only one who thinks this........you need to discipline your horse. PERIOD. Horses should not need a hay net to get their feet done. I have never even heard of such a thing. HOLD YOUR HORSE and this won't happen.

I agree totally with Alex-I have the feeling we will see more "rants" as you go through every farrier in the yellow pages. Unless you start taking responsibility for your horses bad behavior.

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post #45 of 60 Old 04-25-2012, 08:22 AM
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you need to discipline your horse. PERIOD. Horses should not need a hay net to get their feet done. I have never even heard of such a thing. HOLD YOUR HORSE and this won't happen
Seriously, watch some of the youtube training videos. I almost fell out watching one, "Make sure you have a good supply of treats on hand to keep your horse busy while the farrier is working." "I always have a haynet full of quality hay while my horses feet are done." (This made me wonder though, owner or horse gettin the hay LOL)

What happened to teaching them to just stand still? *shrugs* Rascal stands still and he is a hyper, flighty, buttface most of the time. He thinks everything is going to attack him.

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post #46 of 60 Old 04-25-2012, 08:25 AM
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Since I have been leasing him this is the first time it's happened because the farrier started before I got the hay net.
Ahhh. Gotcha. I made an assumption. I apologize.

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post #47 of 60 Old 04-25-2012, 08:28 AM
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I'll be honest I don't disagree with the farrier. If there was no cut or blood I don't think he was out of line. He had one leg in a hand the other was holding a rasp. A horse bite is INCREDIBLY painfull. My farrier has never had to tell me to move a head. I don't allow my horses heads to get close enough to him to nip or bite. I PROTECT MY FARRIER from bites. He has enough to deal with while holding a 1000 lb animal. My farrier is INCREDIBLY important to me. He is always on time... and always shows up for appointments and does great work. I DO NOT WANT TO LOSE HIM!
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post #48 of 60 Old 04-25-2012, 08:57 AM
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I agree with a quick smack to the nose for biting, but not so much smacking it with the rasp in hand. Perhaps try a shorter tie and practice ground work as you embark on the quest for a new farrier.
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Frankly, folks, if the farrier was that early (30 mins), he should of wait for her to prepare the hay net, put a halter, or do whatever else if she asked him to. Or at least give her a call ahead of time saying he's coming and if she could be ready by then. I don't use hay nets, but I prefer to pick my mares hoof just before my farrier pulls in (if I do it too early they'll manage to step on poop or in mud again). If he's earlier and they are dirty, my guy doesn't mind to wait 5 mins till I clean their legs and feet.
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Im new here but Im in total agreement with Redape. The farrier should not have done such a thing. I shod horses for 5 years and have been barefoot trimming for 7 years. I also have apprenticed with a farrier and have seen many horses get hit by farriers. Besides the fact that redape asked the farrier to wait, no one knows what happened. So how can anyone say "you should train your horse?". Did the horse just reach down and chomp the farrier, or was the horse sniffing, wiggling his nose and then decided to take a taste? I find that to happen often if Im working on a horse not being held by the owner. First the horse starts to sniff and I normally just use my elbows to push them away before the horse wants to taste me or pick me up by the back of my chaps. And as for a hay bag, I am more than happy to have the owner give the horse a hay bag. When Im there for feet, its not training time to "make them stand still". If a hay bag makes my job easier then Im all for it. As long as whatever we are doing is keeping us safe and I can go on to my next client without pain, then why not? The people who call me are usually people who's horse has had some behavior issues with the farrier and the farrier hit them with tools or punched them repeatedly. Of course its important to me that the horses are ready and I appreciate it when Im told ahead of time if a horse is a behavior problem, although I usually find that out pretty darn quick. I also do not believe in farriers losing thier temper. If they feel they will, walk out of the barn and take a breather. If I hit a horse its with my hand and I normally discuss it with the owner prior and let them know the horse is behaving badly and I may smack them. I correct quickly, the horse knows they are not being beat, they don't panic and no one gets hurt. As some one mentioned, we are all entitled to our opinions and we have plenty of them. Redape, Im with you, if I saw a farrier hit my horse in the face with a rasp, I think I would hit them back!!!
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