Im new here but Im in total agreement with Redape. The farrier should not have done such a thing. I shod horses for 5 years and have been barefoot trimming for 7 years. I also have apprenticed with a farrier and have seen many horses get hit by farriers. Besides the fact that redape asked the farrier to wait, no one knows what happened. So how can anyone say "you should train your horse?". Did the horse just reach down and chomp the farrier, or was the horse sniffing, wiggling his nose and then decided to take a taste? I find that to happen often if Im working on a horse not being held by the owner. First the horse starts to sniff and I normally just use my elbows to push them away before the horse wants to taste me or pick me up by the back of my chaps. And as for a hay bag, I am more than happy to have the owner give the horse a hay bag. When Im there for feet, its not training time to "make them stand still". If a hay bag makes my job easier then Im all for it. As long as whatever we are doing is keeping us safe and I can go on to my next client without pain, then why not? The people who call me are usually people who's horse has had some behavior issues with the farrier and the farrier hit them with tools or punched them repeatedly. Of course its important to me that the horses are ready and I appreciate it when Im told ahead of time if a horse is a behavior problem, although I usually find that out pretty darn quick. I also do not believe in farriers losing thier temper. If they feel they will, walk out of the barn and take a breather. If I hit a horse its with my hand and I normally discuss it with the owner prior and let them know the horse is behaving badly and I may smack them. I correct quickly, the horse knows they are not being beat, they dont panic and no one gets hurt. As some one mentioned, we are all entitled to our opinions and we have plenty of them. Redape, Im with you, if I saw a farrier hit my horse in the face with a rasp, I think I would hit them back!!!