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post #1 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 04:25 PM Thread Starter
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When have you said TOO much?

So yesterday I was asked to ride along with a friend to look/purchase a horse he was interested in. The mare was advertised as a 12 year old Quarab. She was pretty, but was quite cow hocked. I kept my conformation critiques to myself because my friend is a very experienced horseman and I expect him to make his own conformation judgments on his own purchase.

However, I felt rather awkward being there with no real purpose, so I just casually began asking some questions.

I noticed the mare had a full blaze face (she was grey, but of course whiter for her age), and her mane was two toned in divided portions from darker grey to white.

I asked if she perhaps had a paint parent to which they laughed and said, "No, she's half Arabian half Quarter Horse." I corrected myself and asked not if she was part paint as a breed but as a color. They weren't sure.

I also asked what color she was when they first got her (they claimed to have owned her since she was 6 months old, and I was curious of her base color). They again laughed at me and said she was grey when she was born. >_< I laughed good naturedly and said that I meant what was her base color since all grey horses are born a different color, but yet again he couldn't tell me. (This, among so many other things was VERY suspicious to me)

Well long story short, we ended up leaving without the horse even though my friend decided to buy her. (Complicated reasons). But when we pulled away my friend said to me, "One day you're going to make people mad telling them things about their horse."

Now I didn't consider anything I'd asked or "informed" these people as rude or out of line. So I have wondered since then where others think the boundary lies when you've been informative and have said TOO much.

Personally I don't think I said too much or that they should have been mad about it.
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post #2 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 04:30 PM
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Only mad if they were lying. And sounds like they may have been! Your questions did not seem out of line to me. But isn't color pinto and the breed paint?

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post #3 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 04:34 PM
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Nothing wrong with asking questions. You don't know if you don't ask. If they got mad, ummm ok. As long as your questions didn't hurt your friends purchase, what's the harm?
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post #4 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 04:37 PM
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I recently went through a similar situation. I went with a friend to look at a palomino mare. Sire was on site, a nice palomino. It's too bad they didn't do anything with their horses. The stallion looked untouched. It was a shame.

Anyways, they had a yearling that was brown looking. I asked who the sire was and they said it was their palomino. So I said "Oh, I'd bet he's a smokey black then. Black with the cream gene" and they were like "No, that's no possible. You have to have the cream gene and none of our horses have that"


I was actually pissed about it. Who breeds horses when you don't know anything about colors? That was the cherry to top off the day and I shut my mouth up and walked away and looked at other horses just so I didn't have to be around them and their ignorant behavior.

I'm curious as to why your friend would purchase the horse though, with it having bad conformation. Maybe just to get it away from those people? I see you said "complicated reasons" but oh well...

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post #5 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 05:00 PM Thread Starter
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Other than being cow hocked she had pretty nice conformation. She'd definitely gotten more of the QH in her build and to be honest, I wonder if she wasn't full QH with a babydoll head that they just assumed made her part Arabian.

I didn't hurt the sale. The "owner" of this horse was a boy that looked to be about 16. He had agreed to take my friend's check beforehand. We loaded the horse and had actually left before they called, were right behind us, and asked that the horse be brought back because the father decided he didn't like that the son took a check.

So we brought the horse back and left.

Upon further investigation, I noticed that their Craigslist ad said they'd owned the horse since it was 2, when he'd said in person they'd owned her since she was 6 months old. Getting her at 2 and lying about when they'd bought her would explain why they didn't know what color her base coat was.

The ad also stated she was a kid horse, yet the kid told me she "wasn't that broke".

Good job peoples.

I guess some people get offended when you know more than they do? Guess I'm a bit of a snob in that respect.

At least know what you're selling and sell it honestly.
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post #6 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 05:14 PM
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Frankly the whole thing sounds quite suspicious. I'd stay away personally.

P.S. I don't see anything wrong asking reasonable questions when it comes to your money you are going to spend.

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post #7 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 05:18 PM
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Yeah, definetely see some red flags here. Proceed w/caution!
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post #8 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 05:20 PM Thread Starter
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I thought it was pretty suspicious as well. I respect that it is his decision on what to do about it, and I didn't mean to intrude on HIS deal. I truly thought I was just making conversation.

Guess what matters is that my /friend/ felt I had said too much, and I'll be cautious of that next time when it isn't /my/ deal or money.

But overall, I still don't think I said too much.

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post #9 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 05:55 PM
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Before the sale is a "done deal", as far as I'm concerned no questions about the horse could be considered rude or off the table. It's your money and your risk and therefore you have the right to ask for as much information as you want. Granted, this was your friends' money/risk, but if he hadn't wanted your opinion why would he bring you along? IMHO if he hadn't wanted you to "annoy" those people, he should have asked you beforehand to keep quiet.
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post #10 of 28 Old 05-28-2012, 07:13 PM
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Well did he get the horse???

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