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    04-02-2009, 06:54 PM
  #1
Foal
When to "hit"?

I know this may be a touchy subject for some, but hopefully nothing bad will come of this.

Anyways, I was wondering what everyone's opinion was on when you should 'use force' on your horse.

The only time I've ever laid my hand on a horse was when they were being real jerks. I don't think it's right to literally beat your horse to a pulp because he bit you, but I do believe it is appropriate to give him a whack once. I also don't mean whack as like a punch in the face or anything, more like a reminder not to do that, ever. I know there's other times that could be appropriate, but that is what I want to hear from you, or when you really think it's not appropriate.

(I hope I made sense lol)
     
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    04-02-2009, 07:05 PM
  #2
Started
Kicking or biting of course. Also, though, im doing clinton andersons training methods with my horse right now and there are some instances that when your trying to get your horse to do something and your horse isnt doing it that it turns into whacks. For instance, when you ask your horse to disengage its hind quarters. At first its hitting the stick in the air 3 times, then tapping the rear then if your horse hasnt turned to give you 2 eyes its a very firm whack.
     
    04-02-2009, 07:20 PM
  #3
Started
I definitely think horses need to be disciplined. Not punished. But disciplined. There is hardly a comparison to our "whacks" and the way a horse stands its ground in a herd. We are there to be the leader. And every horse needs a little help to get back into his place...

I agree with a few of Anderson's training methods. Gradually increase pressure. With the whole one, two, three...whack! The horse is given a chance to respond. Even if they don't respond in the right way, besides doing nothing, they won't get whacked.

If my horse tried so nip me...I have this view as in a herd: "You bite me I'm going to bite you back!" My horse has even thought of it as a game when I pinched him back. That's where verbal aids are useful.

Properly discipling your horse is not abuse. Punishing your horse, I would consider that more abuse.

And if your horse really acts aggressive towards you in a way that can be very dangerous...he needs to be put back in his place. And maybe even me reintroduced to the fact that YOU are HIS leader in the herd.

     
    04-02-2009, 07:30 PM
  #4
Foal
I agree very much so
     
    04-02-2009, 07:43 PM
  #5
Started
This thread has inspired me to make the Horse Forum Book of Terms. Let me know what you think!
     
    04-02-2009, 08:12 PM
  #6
Weanling
I am more vocal than physical when it comes to my horses. For example if Comanche has that look on his face that he is about to bite me I will say first "uhh uhh No sir don't you bite me" if he persists i'll say in a louder voice "Don't you do it" usually by the second comment he stops but if he doesn't and goes in for a nibble i'll say "Aghhh No sir!" in a loud disiplining voice and yank on his lead rope. And then he gets the message then.

I'd rather Be vocal before I have to get physical.
     
    04-02-2009, 11:42 PM
  #7
Foal
Usually, if a horse bites/tries to bite, a smack on the shoulder and a loud "No!" works quite nicely.
     
    04-03-2009, 07:19 AM
  #8
Showing
I agree with all of you. If a horse goes to bite or kick, they get popped first. I always aim for the fleshiest part near to me, lower neck, shoulder, ribs, hip. I never aim for the head or legs. Usually when I pop them on the butt though, I use a lead rope and keep myself out of kicking range.
     
    04-03-2009, 08:00 AM
  #9
Weanling
Alot of people wont agree with me. I treat my horses fairly firmly. Chucky was really bad when I first got him! Im a big believer of personal space! A horse IS NOT alowed to invade my personal space un;ess he/she has permission. All of my horses are very good with this and they will NEVER be on top of you or croud you EVER!!! Even at feeding time, they will stay at least an arm length away unless I invite them to come closer. My horses get a good wack if they go on top of me, push me around, go to bite/kick/jump/buck, anything dangerous really. Sometimes, yes, it does mean a wack over the head. But my horses arent scared of me, they arent head shy, they trust me and they respect me. And all of them have pretty darn good manners. And chucky, if you saw him when I first got him, you would think that it is a mirical how good his manners are now!! Anyway, I think a horse needs one good big hard wack over which ever part of their body is closest to you (yes, it may be the head) when ever they do something intusive or dangerous. As long as you keep it to one wack, and you actually hit them (not just flinging your arms at them) they wont become head shy and they wont be scared of you. They will complely respect and trust you and they will have excellent manners! Now I hardly ever have to hit my horses at all because they know what is right and what is wrong. However, it is different with every horse. Chucky NEEDS a firm hand, Banjo hasnt ever really done anything that bad so he only needs a reminder every now and then and pennellipi is very sensitive and touchy so I don't hit her as hard as I hit chucky. I adjust how fast I move and how hard I hit according to the horse. If that makes sence. And as I said earlier, I know alot of you wont agree at all with me but that's how I do things and it has worked well.
     
    04-03-2009, 11:03 AM
  #10
Foal
Hitting was used by me personally at my old barn, and I have only struck a horse intentionally at one occasion at my new barn. However, there are other riders and my instructor that use hitting to reinforce discipline. I used to use it much more freely, but now I don't condone it, and it often isnt needed. But my instructor can and will use it when a horse disobeys her more than once.
     

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