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    11-10-2008, 10:07 AM
  #11
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OK then ... I think we need to get back on topic and not make this personal.

This does refer to what JDI said and that is how it is ether a black or white subject and how passionate riders are about Parelli.
     
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    11-10-2008, 10:39 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by SonnyWimps    
And sadly it's soooo easy to mess up on it so half of the videos you see on youtube, the people are not doing it properly, so the horse looks bored, uninterested, and like he wants to die.

Every method has pros and cons, I just never understood why of all, Parelli is the most picked on.
My point exactly - if Parelli is soooo easy to mess up, then why promote a DVD to "train yourself"?? I'm not attacking you Sonny, I'm taking a stab at Parelli. He (or Linda, I'm not up to date on this stuff) promotes the program as being for every horse and rider, and although it may work for many horses, it sure as heck isn't for every horse. And you said it yourself Sonny, it's easy to mess up - so why is it on DVD where you don't get feedback, and go at it on your own blindly?

You can't learn to train a horse from a video.

..yet people do?

Parelli isn't the most picked on, but he's the "flavour of the month" so you're going to find a lot more discussion on him than Jo Schmo that hasn't been in the limelight yet - never fear, Jo Schmo, your time is a' comin'.

ETA - I also cannot stand the fact that he insists that he can teach the general public that they can do a piaffe on their horse, when in fact there is NO base to collection or building muscle for the maneuver.
Yes, horses can stand in spot hollow and strung out and move their feet in opposite pairs... that is NOT a true piaffe.
Because of the way he teaches it, there is really no relation to dressage, impulsion, collection, nor a true piaffe.
So... you get lots of riders doing these silly one-two movements on their horses that think they're getting Princess to piaffe, when they're not... not at all.
To the untrained eye it looks cool, and it "looks" like a piaffe, but it is NOT.

..problem is, just like rearing is "cool," everyone wants to do it to impress Jack across the road... right?
     
    11-10-2008, 10:47 AM
  #13
Super Moderator
I think the reason Parelli seems so picked on, is because there are a ton of Parelli people on this board which opens the debate in tons of posts because inevitably, someone is going to post a parelli thought and then someone else is going to post a disagreeable thought and then a fist is going to fly and a lip is going to bleed and feelings are going to get hurt and the world is going to end and ... Sonny, can I have your horse?


... You ought to do a poll...

Parelli
Anti-Parelli
Open to all


Or something like that....
     
    11-10-2008, 11:21 AM
  #14
Trained
I have no use for him. But everyone is entitled to their opinions and should be allowed to post whatever they want.
     
    11-10-2008, 02:12 PM
  #15
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I think if there is fault to be placed it should be on Linda not so much Pat. Linda is a business woman and its obvious she is in it for the money.
I also agree with that, and the "cult" comparison.

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Yes, some prices are high....but are you looking at the price if a non-member buys it or a savvy club member?
Does it cost money to become a savvy club member? And that is also linked with the cult theme! Lol

(Not getting at you Sonny :) )
     
    11-10-2008, 04:20 PM
  #16
Banned
Iride, what I mainly meant is rude anti-Parelli posts on why. I think everyone is being great about the whole matter and not even close into debate mode.
Currently we are just throwing back opinions to each other...not trying to say "this is the right way" as you would in debating.

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My point exactly - if Parelli is soooo easy to mess up, then why promote a DVD to "train yourself"?? I'm not attacking you Sonny, I'm taking a stab at Parelli. He (or Linda, I'm not up to date on this stuff) promotes the program as being for every horse and rider, and although it may work for many horses, it sure as heck isn't for every horse. And you said it yourself Sonny, it's easy to mess up - so why is it on DVD where you don't get feedback, and go at it on your own blindly?


I think his (Parelli....not sure if it was Linda's or Pat's......probably Linda's) whole plan was to put out the DVDs and have the students keep in contact with a Parelli profesional in order to get questions answered and feedback. I think it's just like someone teaching themselves to ride or jump. I taught myself to jump...I had no formal lessons for jumping (and no informal either). I watched LOADS of youtube videos and read books and tried it and tried it until I could jump without falling off. But I KNOW I am not doing it correctly, and I look horrible. Or if someone teaches themselves to ride...sure they will be able to w/t/c but does that mean their equitation would be good? Maybe...maybe not.
I guess I'm rambling....due to my mind is totally burned from a reasearch paper homework lol

JDI, I definitely might be wrong and chances are I am, but isn't the first step of teaching a Piaffe just teaching the horse where the feet go...then they combine it with being collected? You know more about dressage than I do...so I'm just curious to know....that, to me, would be the logical way to teach it...but I dunno lol

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... Sonny, can I have your horse?
Do I have to repeat myself?


Moo, it's $20 a month for the savvy club. Every month you'll get a DVD and/or their magazine, then access to the Parelli forum and other stuff. If you are planning on a purcahse of alot of stuff, it's definitely worth it IMO. ONly reason I joined was because I was ordering stuff and I ended up saving over $100 from being a member.
No cult themes hehe...but there are crossword puzzles


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My main thing is the idea that there is only one right way to do things that bothers me most.
I agree there. There is no ONE method that is right. There are lots of methods that will teach the horse the same thing that will work, and none should be rated more than others.
     
    11-10-2008, 04:32 PM
  #17
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No cult themes hehe...but there are crossword puzzles
haha
     
    11-10-2008, 09:01 PM
  #18
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Originally Posted by SonnyWimps    
JDI, I definitely might be wrong and chances are I am, but isn't the first step of teaching a Piaffe just teaching the horse where the feet go...then they combine it with being collected? You know more about dressage than I do...so I'm just curious to know....that, to me, would be the logical way to teach it...but I dunno lol
Blah, I'm sick, so I don't have the mental power to make long posts.
But collection comes first. Then you start asking for a collected, springy trot. Then you ask for a more collected trot, then more collected, etc... no the horse won't get it right off the bat, but it is a completely and totally different principle than Parelli's - Parelli is just about the feet, nothing else really. They don't do a correct Piaffe.
     
    11-10-2008, 09:03 PM
  #19
Trained
What gets me about Parelli is the same thing that gets my husband about Arctic Rim Riding Boots and Pecasso (sp) saddles -- the Snob level that too many people have with it.

I could do all the stuff I wanted that works on Parelli ideas and Natural Horsemanship ideas and Monty Roberts ideas, etc. etc. but if I don't CALL it Parelli, I'm nothing in "that" circle. Like many others that have posted, I think all training methods have some good in them and I like to think I am open to listening to them. Hopefully, I listen well enough to feel I can make a good decision on whether it will work for me and the horse I'm working with.
     
    11-10-2008, 09:14 PM
  #20
Banned
JDI, I meant after the horse has achieved collection of course. Would they start teaching them while they are collected? Or just get them to know the cues and how to move their feet, then once they get it slowly add in collection? I'm curious to know now
     

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