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post #11 of 35 Old 10-23-2012, 05:41 PM Thread Starter
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It must be a 4-H thing to be a brat. I see kids bossing around their parents, being mean to their horses & others & being totally rude to everyone.
There are a few good kids who really appreciate their horses & to me those are the ones that stand out in a good way.
Keep loving your horse & ignore the brats while being proud that you are not like them.
I know! I have a few good friends in 4H who just ride to ride & have fun, they're awesome people, but there are also quite a few brats in there whose parents buy them the $10,000 well-pedigreed horses and they end up with spoiled, rude kids AND spoiled, naughty horses because the brats don't know or care that they ride like crap!

And Jamesqf, I love that quote! I actually printed it out and put it on my bulletin board in my tack room! Haha!

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post #12 of 35 Old 10-23-2012, 07:53 PM
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Around here people prefer gaited horses and when I tell them my horse isn't gaited they're like, "Oh..." and stop being interested.

He may not be gaited but he's sane, gentle, reliable, trusting, brave and the best horse ever for a beginner rider like me. Not many green broke horses would have carried around a green rider like myself and not gotten either one of us hurt. I don't care what order he moves his legs in as long as he moves them when and where I tell him to.

I know two things about his pedigree - he's a Missouri Foxtrotter/Arabian cross and his dam's name was "Good Eye". I paid $100.00 for him but I wouldn't sell him for $10,000.

You know that old chestnut, "You can't ride the papers."
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post #13 of 35 Old 10-23-2012, 07:56 PM
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I know exactly how you feel! I had someone constantly trying to tell me that their horse was better than mine.

Maybe in their standards, but most definitely not in mine(:

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post #14 of 35 Old 10-23-2012, 08:51 PM
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Who cares what they think. You love your horse and he tires his best for you. I wouldn't let some brat's comments bother you. Nothing can replace what a horse gives to you and how they make you feel. That is something pedigree has nothing to do with.
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post #15 of 35 Old 10-23-2012, 08:58 PM
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I'm going to play the devil's advocate here for a moment. I'm not saying that your "friend" is nice or anything, or that she wasn't out of line because its impossible to really know the context of the remarks online, but I think you're being a little sensitive.

She remarked that he's nothing extraordinary - which is, by what you say, true. He's a good little pleasure horse and there is nothing wrong with that, but he isn't an objectively extraordinary, amazing horse, just a good horse for you. And I don't think she was denying that.

Breeding doesn't necessarily make a good horse, but there are reasons that well bred horses sell for 10 times more than ones that aren't. We can all complain about breed snobbery and point out how our horses are better than this well-bred other horse that we know - and that's likely true, because breeding doesn't make a horse, training and time do. But I do think breeding is often the difference between a good average horse, and an excellent competition horse.

You yourself said this girl was big into competition - so chances are she's looking for a different sort of horse than you are and that she values different things. She obviously didn't say it well but its her opinion.

My horse isn't a brilliant horse, I don't really know her breeding, she's got alright conformation for pleasure and amateur riding but she's never going to be a top class competition horse. I have no delusions about that. And while she's perfectly fine for me I understand that for many other people she wouldn't be the right horse. And she is by no means an extraordinary horse.

So I don't know, I probably wouldn't call your horse extraordinary either, and maybe I wouldn't have said it that bluntly, but I wouldn't consider it a big thing.
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post #16 of 35 Old 10-23-2012, 09:09 PM
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I'm going to play the devil's advocate here for a moment. I'm not saying that your "friend" is nice or anything, or that she wasn't out of line because its impossible to really know the context of the remarks online, but I think you're being a little sensitive.

She remarked that he's nothing extraordinary - which is, by what you say, true. He's a good little pleasure horse and there is nothing wrong with that, but he isn't an objectively extraordinary, amazing horse, just a good horse for you. And I don't think she was denying that.

Breeding doesn't necessarily make a good horse, but there are reasons that well bred horses sell for 10 times more than ones that aren't. We can all complain about breed snobbery and point out how our horses are better than this well-bred other horse that we know - and that's likely true, because breeding doesn't make a horse, training and time do. But I do think breeding is often the difference between a good average horse, and an excellent competition horse.

You yourself said this girl was big into competition - so chances are she's looking for a different sort of horse than you are and that she values different things. She obviously didn't say it well but its her opinion.

My horse isn't a brilliant horse, I don't really know her breeding, she's got alright conformation for pleasure and amateur riding but she's never going to be a top class competition horse. I have no delusions about that. And while she's perfectly fine for me I understand that for many other people she wouldn't be the right horse. And she is by no means an extraordinary horse.

So I don't know, I probably wouldn't call your horse extraordinary either, and maybe I wouldn't have said it that bluntly, but I wouldn't consider it a big thing.
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I'm going to play the devil's advocate here for a moment. I'm not saying that your "friend" is nice or anything, or that she wasn't out of line because its impossible to really know the context of the remarks online, but I think you're being a little sensitive.

She remarked that he's nothing extraordinary - which is, by what you say, true. He's a good little pleasure horse and there is nothing wrong with that, but he isn't an objectively extraordinary, amazing horse, just a good horse for you. And I don't think she was denying that.

Breeding doesn't necessarily make a good horse, but there are reasons that well bred horses sell for 10 times more than ones that aren't. We can all complain about breed snobbery and point out how our horses are better than this well-bred other horse that we know - and that's likely true, because breeding doesn't make a horse, training and time do. But I do think breeding is often the difference between a good average horse, and an excellent competition horse.

You yourself said this girl was big into competition - so chances are she's looking for a different sort of horse than you are and that she values different things. She obviously didn't say it well but its her opinion.

My horse isn't a brilliant horse, I don't really know her breeding, she's got alright conformation for pleasure and amateur riding but she's never going to be a top class competition horse. I have no delusions about that. And while she's perfectly fine for me I understand that for many other people she wouldn't be the right horse. And she is by no means an extraordinary horse.

So I don't know, I probably wouldn't call your horse extraordinary either, and maybe I wouldn't have said it that bluntly, but I wouldn't consider it a big thing.
Yeah I see here you're coming from. My big point was that I hate how people judge whether or not a horse is extraordinary by who their parents were, and who was she to say my horse wasn't extraordinary judging by 2 names on his papers, that's all.
I know I'm sounding over sensitive, but I'm not crushed by it, I'm just more so annoyed by how she said it and also her logic behind it.

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I'm going to play the devil's advocate here for a moment. I'm not saying that your "friend" is nice or anything, or that she wasn't out of line because its impossible to really know the context of the remarks online, but I think you're being a little sensitive.

She remarked that he's nothing extraordinary - which is, by what you say, true. He's a good little pleasure horse and there is nothing wrong with that, but he isn't an objectively extraordinary, amazing horse, just a good horse for you. And I don't think she was denying that.

Breeding doesn't necessarily make a good horse, but there are reasons that well bred horses sell for 10 times more than ones that aren't. We can all complain about breed snobbery and point out how our horses are better than this well-bred other horse that we know - and that's likely true, because breeding doesn't make a horse, training and time do. But I do think breeding is often the difference between a good average horse, and an excellent competition horse.

You yourself said this girl was big into competition - so chances are she's looking for a different sort of horse than you are and that she values different things. She obviously didn't say it well but its her opinion.

My horse isn't a brilliant horse, I don't really know her breeding, she's got alright conformation for pleasure and amateur riding but she's never going to be a top class competition horse. I have no delusions about that. And while she's perfectly fine for me I understand that for many other people she wouldn't be the right horse. And she is by no means an extraordinary horse.

So I don't know, I probably wouldn't call your horse extraordinary either, and maybe I wouldn't have said it that bluntly, but I wouldn't consider it a big thing.
Here's my thing though, it all boils down to good manners. Most people's kids are nothing extraordinary either but you wouldn't look at little Timmy and say, "Well, he's ok but he's nothing special.", or at least I'd hope you wouldn't. He's very special to his parents, regardless of whether he grows up to be President or a drug addict, they love him. Presumably we all love our horses, so what makes it ok to be callous to one another when remarking on them? Manners says, "If you can't say something nice, say nothing.". I can always compliment a kind eye if nothing else.

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post #19 of 35 Old 10-24-2012, 01:22 AM
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I just consider that my friend/riding teacher rides a mustang that was captured off the range as a yearling, and given some basic training in the state prison before she got him. He's well-behaved (except for his conviction that every pocket must contain an infinite supply of carrots), goes down the trails or across country, doesn't (AFAIK) spook at anything from passing cars to low-flying military aircraft to bears in the trail. What more could you ask?
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post #20 of 35 Old 10-24-2012, 01:46 AM
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I grew up on the back of a POA/Arab gelding.

I've owned horses all of my life.

Only two of my horses have ever had papers.
Neat thing is....horses can't read and don't care. :)

You enjoy that horse of yours! He is good.
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