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    07-06-2014, 08:41 PM
All the horses we've had have been started at 2. It's the common age around her to start them.

Jasper, started at 2, now 15 years old and NEVER taken a lame step.
Nutmeg, started at 2, now 14 years old and NEVER taken a lame step.
Chilly, started at 2, now 13 years old and NEVER taken a lame step.

We've had 5 other horses that were started at 2, and never had an issue with them.

Rumor, was started at 3. Put in a pasture until 5 when I purchased her. And 3 weeks into owning her, she suffered a life threatening injury that cost me thousands of dollars. ($4500+) to treat her in the past 1 year. She now is sound, but has arthritis in her hock and her future is questionable for how many years I'll get out of her.

My 15 month old will be sent to the trainer at 3 years. I'm waiting an extra year for her, but you can bet your booty I'll have already sat on her and worked her to where she will have 90% of the stepping blocks for her training already completed. I might even send her at 2-1/2, it all depends on how she is physically and mentally.

My vets have no issues with starting a 2 year old.

And my freshly started 2 years old don't canter. We do walk/trot/whoa/back for months before adding a canter in. One horse we waited until he was 3 before we added canter work.

I agree that if a horse is going to start sound, it's going to stay sound. If he's not, he's not. Horses are a gamble. Fate always wins in the end.
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    07-06-2014, 08:45 PM
I would rather see a horse started at two properly than a horse started at four/five poorly.

So what if it comes down to the money? The longer a horse sits the longer it has to turn into habits, and the longer you have to feed it, the more show opportunities it misses, the more money it costs, and the less it's worth. Trainers take excellent care of their show horses. They are happy, sound, and healthy. I don't see the problem?
    07-06-2014, 08:49 PM
The $ and the notoriety is in the futurities. They could start putting more $ in the derby and aged horse classes which might help with the pressure put on young horses. Same goes for racing, why don't they take the $ out of the 2/3 year old racing and put it towards derby races(not sure of racing terminology:).
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    07-06-2014, 08:50 PM
Kiberlyrae ataking underlying faults out of the equation as we arenot talking about underlying problems. A horse started at 2 is more likely to become unsound then a horse started a 6. And for the record I'm not just talking leg problems as legs fuse relatively young 2/3 year I think it is the neck and back the suffers and unless you have x-rayed every single horse you are all claiming are still sound you don't know what is going on inside, I have a Shetland with bilateral patella luxation a genetic condition which meant he shouldn't have been able to stand when be was born yet he was and it went undetected for 11 years and even past his stallion test where he had his legs checked, so my point it unless you have looked at the inside of your horse you cannot claim for certain that your horse is sound and well.

Slipestop is see no reason why being a breeder plays a part in the age you start a horse, I breed I wouldn't start my ponies at 2.
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    07-06-2014, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
OP, I choose real life experience with horsemanship rather than the numbers preached on a forum. No offense. Between the incredible trainers and horsemen/women I have had the privilege to meet, I have learned that sometimes the science doesn't always add up. You have to be intelligent and have enough horse sense to know when you're pushing your horse and when you are not. They will tell you if you have the sense to listen.
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So many of my training babies come to me as 2yr olds. An I have had nothing but success with them. However, I have backed a horse before. My personal show horse I started on at 2, he was too immature, so I put him out to a field for another year. It all depends on the horse and the situation.

Good luck telling people that starting them at 2 is bad. You'll be yelling at most of the performance horse industry.
    07-06-2014, 08:55 PM
If so many horses were not started at 2 then there would be more money and more classes for older horses. In the UK no show let's an under 4 year old horse enter risen classes yet people still make a profit off of their horses. And if we are talking profit like I said a horse started a couple of years later is more likely to keep competing at the top levels then that of a horse started at 2 and therefore surely making more money.
    07-06-2014, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rbarlo32    
If so many horses were not started at 2 then there would be more money and more classes for older horses. In the UK no show let's an under 4 year old horse enter risen classes yet people still make a profit off of their horses. And if we are talking profit like I said a horse started a couple of years later is more likely to keep competing at the top levels then that of a horse started at 2 and therefore surely making more money.
Here in the US we have futurity classes that is where alot of the big money is. These "maiden" 2yr olds usually grow up to be faithful show horses.

I don't know of many age restricted classes other than green, senior, futurity etc.

Profit IS NOT in the shows. Profit is in the training and the clients you take on. The more clients the more money. To me, training a 2yr old costs the same as a 14yr old.
    07-06-2014, 09:03 PM
Well my current colt is 2 and we have started him and he is doing great! We can walk trot loap in the arena, no bad habits, and he listens to everything. He has been down the road by himself, he has even been to a team penning and was tacked up at the trailer and I jumped on after a little lounging. I rode him to the inside arena and he did great. He got ponied around a little before I rode him into the arena and around the cows he did great, I sat on him while the penning was going on, I rode him while the tractor was in there, HE DID GREAT! Im not going so fast that ill blow his mind but im starting him early so I have a good expeirienced horse that I can use. And don't say well your going to make him have soundness issues cause we watch for them everyday. He's maturing fast and he's a good boy. :)
    07-06-2014, 09:04 PM
Delete I would more then happily go and yell at then if I thought it would make the blindest bit of difference. I don't understand the notion that just because it is done at the top levels doesn't mean it is right. Here's a couple of examples extreme but they prove a point take the big lick horses for example for a while the winning most horses were trained by trainers using spring and platform shoes yes I am sure they are most brilliant for the horse, then look at Edward Gal he is one of the top dressage riders in the world yet he uses Rolkar doesn't make it right.
    07-06-2014, 09:04 PM
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You can start working with a horse from day dot - training is good. You just shouldn't work it hard until it has reached maturity. That's it in a nutshell.

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