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    04-03-2009, 12:08 PM
  #1
Foal
wild mustangs

I have been following articles about the BLM having serious problems finding homes for Wild Mustangs, and I think the biggest reason is that HUGE challenge of having to train something that has barely had any human contact at all.

Its a shame, and I wish and hope something can be done to increase how many are bought. The BLM could also benefit from selling to a barn that would train them and resell, but then the private owner would make money and not the government organization
     
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    04-03-2009, 12:36 PM
  #2
Foal
Actually, you'll be surprised to know that that isn't really the reason why it's hard to find homes.

The BLM has contracts with certain prisons in Nevada to start a lot of the horses and the prisoners tend to do a pretty good job of it. They sell the horses for about $125.

They also have incentive programs and the Mustang Makeovers and other small programs. (they used to have a really cool program associated with John Lyons and others, but cancelled that, because it was costing them too much money, apparently to pay the trainers) But there's other incentive programs still available.

The real problem is the mismanagement by the BLM of the Mustangs in the wild. They have no real program for sterilization.

The interesting part is, there are other places....forgot what the island is called....where there are wild horses living there and they get sterilized via dart guns. It's safe for the people, for the horse and the numbers stay down and manageable.

Why the BLM hasn't taken up some kind of sterilization program is truly beyond me. Frankly, I think it just comes down to the same ol story...politics and b.s.

If they would manage the Mustangs better, stead of simply capture a bunch and store them in holding pens for years, then (nowadays) give them away to anyone without much rules (been to the Fort Worth Mustang Makeovers? They waved a lot of their own rules just to get rid of em cause there's too many)

But on a good note, there's the story about that billionaire woman who says she's taking them all in. I think in about a year or less, she's supposed to start taking in all of the unwanted Mustangs (a few thousands)

She's supposed to be looking for land for them, like a million acres or something.

Hope that works out. She wants to have a park and to sterilize the Mustangs and those that get adopted out, fine, but none are supposed to be euthenized.

That was the BLM's answer, just to euthenize all of em that are currently in holding pens. But that might not happen.

Anyhow, yeah, I agree that it's a sad situation.

But....what can ya do?
     
    04-03-2009, 12:39 PM
  #3
Foal
I adopted two completely wild mustangs last year. It's just a matter of winning their trust and then they are like any domestic horse as far as training goes.

I have been riding for 45 years and bought my first horse 40 years ago, but the most fun with horses is gentling these two beautiful wild horses.

Funny thing is I've been around many domestic horses that acted wild just because. My real wild boys are not at all dangerous and when they bond with you it's incredible!

The BLM has many programs like the one you suggested. They are finding many ways to get the horses in the hands of good trainers. I believe there's even a program that pays trainers $700 per horse.
I will never sell my mustangs they are wonderful horses.
     
    04-03-2009, 01:01 PM
  #4
Cat
Green Broke
Calamity Jane is right - the mustang problem right now is a mis-management problem more than anything. Plus they are getting a double-whammy right now due to the whole economy being in a slump and horses in general are just not selling.
     
    04-03-2009, 03:26 PM
  #5
Weanling
I don't think training has any impact on adopting wild mustangs as they are no different than domesticated horses in that respect. True they have had no contact or very little with humans but this can also work to an advantage seeing as they haven't had bad contacts either like so many abused and neglected domestic horses. The adoption fee is minimal for one that is in a holding pen, those trained by the prisoners are sold around 1000$ I think I can't really remember I watched a program about it several months ago. I think a lot of it is more the economy and the requirements BLM has for potential adopters. Eventually I plan to visit one of the holding facilities here in Oklahoma and adopt a couple young mustangs when I have my own place to put them and have it meet the requirements for adoption.
     
    04-03-2009, 03:37 PM
  #6
Trained
Calamity, I think these are thinking of the ponies on Assateague Island.

I think it is a combination of what you have all said. Obviously, a trained horse (Or at least touched one) is going to have a much better chance of selling than an untouched horse, mustang or not.

I can't begin to count the number of Mustangs I know that people around here have adopted and then are now trying to give away because they didn't have the necessary training skills to adopt them out.

The biggest problem, I agree, is with BLM management. No one wants to euthanize thousands of horses, but they are beginning to be a huge problem and can be a nuisance to ranchers.

I think we do need to work on a sterilization program. As far as the woman who is adopting them all, I think she has good intentions, but I'm not sure if that is going to be enough. Sure, you are keeping them from getting killed, but as far as I know she has no horse training skills. Who is going to train, vaccine, worm, vet, farrier, feed and generally care for thousands of Mustangs? I'm curious to see how this is going to work out and I wish her the best.

Mustangs are also frowned upon. They're smaller and many people (At least that I know) think of them as nags. They much rather work with an untouched TB or Arab than a mustang.
     
    04-03-2009, 11:36 PM
  #7
Weanling
We adopted Rooster my hubbys gelding from the prison in canon city Colorado. He has been in captivity since he was 1 and was just adopted as a 7yr old gelding green broke. I will be getting my next horse from them because I am very impressed with them. More people need to know about the versatility and strength and kindness these horses have.
     
    04-04-2009, 12:01 AM
  #8
Weanling
I have a BLM mustang and although he's quite a handful for me, he's very intelligent and has a lot to offer as a horse. I've become quite fond of the wild horses because of him. If I got land and enough experience to handle a wild horse I would adopt a few.

As far as adoption fees go, I believe here in Oregon it is an auction system. They bring a wild horse out and people who have passed the application process for adopting get to bid on them. They go anywhere from $125-$700 sometimes. More often then not a horse will go for more because of it's color rather than it's training, from what I understand. Though I may be wrong.
     
    04-04-2009, 12:18 AM
  #9
Weanling
Ms Pickens is no longer going to be taking any of the BLM Mustangs just last month she stated if she were to take them she wanted $500 a head and gov. Land to keep them on.

Theres no demand for them, theres way more then the area they are on can support. While I think haveing the herds is great its like anything else to many is not a good thing. Sell the excess to slaughter, take the money and use it to support and manage the rest. Its no different then any other horse business you need funds to operate properly and breeding more then you can support is not an answer.
     
    04-04-2009, 02:48 AM
  #10
Foal
Spastic Dove, you wrote:

"Who is going to train, vaccine, worm, vet, farrier, feed and generally care for thousands of Mustangs? I'm curious to see how this is going to work out and I wish her the best".

The woman in question was going to release these mustangs into an area like their natural habit of millions of acres and let them live like they did when they were wild. Wild horses don't get wormed, trained, vaccinated etc and their feet are kept trimmed naturally.

Like I said in my above post I have two mustangs and I don't agree with your statement concerning them being frowned upon and being considered 'nags' and you are quiet wrong about their size. They come in all shapes and colors, from pony sized to 16 + hands.

As mentioned, I have owned all kinds of horse for 40 years and these mustangs of mine have been an incredible rewarding experience to gentle and to earn their trust. They have turned out to be absolutely bonded with me. Also they are both extremely beautiful animals.

Country, you wrote;

"Sell the excess to slaughter and use the money to support and manage the rest"? I'm almost speechless at that statement! That would not go over well....The mass killing of beautiful (healthy and young) living legends. No, there are better ways of managing wild horses thank goodness.
     

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