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post #121 of 444 Old 08-25-2013, 02:26 PM
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I prefer rice bran for weight, beet pulp for regular feeding. I feed Flicka oats, barley, small shred molasses free beet pulp and black oil sunflower seeds. She will not eat large shred.
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post #122 of 444 Old 08-25-2013, 06:21 PM
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I've head of feeding Black Oil Sunflower Seeds (BOSS), in fact I knew one horse who ate pounds and pounds a day, but he had previously had colic surgery that didn't heal quite right (adhesions) and wasn't allowed longstem hay because he would impact and colic, so he ate a lot of odd things to make up for that. They're supposed to be well-liked by horses and the only 'bad' thing I've heard is that they have much more Omega 6 than 3, so people recommended avoiding them in inflammation-prone horses (arthritis, laminitis, IR, etc).

The lip-flapping is a really common 'baby' behavior in horses (though submissive adults may do it too), essentially saying 'hey I'm little and submissive, please don't hurt me while I do this thing that may or may not annoy you.' Isn't it funny how different their personalities are?
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she looks so good ! Love the pic with her ears up , both of them.. she may gain more use of the injured ear . i have tried rice bran. it did not warrant the cost. I would feed some sort of hay pellet , I would try adding some corn oil over the beet pulp,or some karo syrup , I just add it with the water , stir it up and let it soak in the pulp. and there are new findings over omega 3 and 6 in corn oil depending on the type of hay which may or may not have the o3 or o6 in it naturally. My Vets have no problem with corn oil, and my horses are antiques. there are people who will freak about the corn oil suggestion , but if mine at 30 something yrs old are still going fine and have been fed corn oil for many many years, it cannot be to harmful ! lol..
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So THATS what BOSS stands for! I always wondered about that xD do you guys think it would be worth trying? Family P suggested getting her to about 3 cups a day and see how she did on that, and its tempting since they're pretty cheap. Not sure if that 'bird seed' kind is safe or not though...I guess I'd have to call the manufactuer and ask or something?

lol, she's definitely submissive so that makes sense. That's the nice thing about training her, theres absolutely zero challenging me so far.Fear, yes- and her fair share of overreacting (such as with trying to get her to walk CALMLY over our little obstacle course teeter totter bridge. She'll go over it like I ask her to, but insists on leaping off of it like a wild woman as soon as she's half way over) but there hasn't been any "well I'm 600 lbs and you're 85, so I don't feel like it and you can't make me" which is nice. Now if we could just get her over the spooking into me thing, we'd be doing great! She's improving, but still tends to move towards me, not away from me.

She's super sensitive to rope pressure though which is fantastic. I can literally just flick it a tiny bit and she's backing up like a pro. I do think she's going to be on the spooky side all of her life, but thankfully once you redirect her she usually settles, realizes you're still in control, and is happy to do whatever it was that scared her. She has spooked once or twice while on the lead line, been corrected, and looked downright sheepish about it once she realized it wasn't actually all that scary xD

Stevenson- she's already eating 6 lbs of alfalfa hay pellets and wolfing down a good 20 lbs of grass hay every day, so I think we're covered there. I'm not terribly concerned about the 3 to 6 ratios as long as not everything I'm feeding her is way higher on one than the other, but I'm not too sure that putting anything in/on her BP is going to convince her to eat it. I could try though!

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post #125 of 444 Old 08-26-2013, 03:14 PM
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Info on BOSS:
Black Oil Sunflower Seeds for Horses

Personally, I don't like the idea of feeding seeds to an animal that wouldn't naturally eat seeds...but then again: hypocrite alert! I feed Flax SEEDS to Lacey every single day! haha
I wouldn't do corn oil and BOSS together since they are both inflammatory [I thiiiiink I've read that ulcers thrive on inflammation so, if that's a problem you suspect, use caution...I may be completely wrong though!] but one or the other couldn't hurt.
I'd probably try BOSS before I tried oil, however. But that's just me. haha

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post #126 of 444 Old 08-26-2013, 04:37 PM
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My barn feeds a beet pulp & rice bran mash at night (~4 parts beet pulp pellets to 1 part rice bran pellets, by volume). The other night when I was mixing it up, I found that we had run out of rice bran, and the BO mentioned that a some of the horses won't eat the mash when the rice bran is missing. Maybe Kenzie would like the beet pulp more if some rice bran were mixed in? If you know someone who'd give you a little bit to try out for a day or two it might worth seeing if it works.

I know a few people who feed BOSS in smaller amounts (up to ~1 cup/day) and haven't had any problems with it, and I've never heard of a horse not eating them, so that could very well be the easier route!
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Good point Wallaby! Ulcers are a bit concern for me since Kenzie IS a thoroughbred and already cribs (though she's been doing it a LOT less lately now that she has a buddy at all times) and has had them before. That's the last thing she needs right now!

Verona- that's a good idea! I'm going to ask around to see if anyone is willing to lend me a pound or so of RB to see if I can coax Kenzie to eat the BP, but if she won't I think my next option is going to be trying the BOSS for a little while to see if it helps at all. I'm sure her coat could use it if nothing else xD

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Alrighty, I went out to buy feed after school this afternoon and I'm kind of proud of myself xD I'm sort of the 'extreme couponer' of the horse feed world, so I had a boat load of coupons for my feed today. The result? I got $150 worth of feed for Sour and Kenzie (which typically pays for one months worth ._. I feel like I'm selling away part of my body every time I hand over the money for feed) for....drum roll please...$120! Doesn't sound like a lot, but hey I'll take it > I was able to get a $4 off coupon on Kenzie's Nutrena feed for taking a survey, $20 off (one bag free) of Sour's feed for buying it in bulk (3 bags, 4th free), $3 off of my alfalfa pellets, and $3 off of a wormer. SUCESS. And since I got bulk of Sour's feed, she's set for like...the next quarter xD she only eats about half pound of feed a day.

I'm pretty annoyed with TSC right now though. Well...actually Nutrena. Or both. Apparently Nutrena Life Cycle Mare and Foal is being discontinued and Nutrena is replacing the life cycle feeds with "Safe Choice" feeds. When I went to ask where the M&F had been moved to, they said they no longer stocked it and pointed out one of the new Safe Choice Formulas that is supposedly the exact same thing. I even had the manager come assure me that it was the same feed and that if I went and fed my colic prone yearling 2 lbs of it today she'd be fine. I asked them for a breakdown of the nutritional information in it but they pretty much told me that I could get it online (I have no smart phone and couldn't check at that moment) so I needed to do that, and that they didn't have the information on mare and foal anymore. So I had no way of knowing whether or not the feed was the same or not. Since they told me they had the same ingredients (with the only exception being that there is now pre and probiotics in the feed and less starch for at risk horses) I went ahead and bought two bags because I refuse to leave empty handed after a 1 1/2 hour drive to the store.

Well, they aren't the same. It would appear that this new feed has LESS of all of the vitamins, minerals,fat and protein. This feed has 14% Protein, only 7% Fat... my Mare and Foal feed had 6% fat, 14% Protein. I don't think its going to be a huge deal considering that I feed a supplement with all of those minerals and more in it and she gets plenty of hay, but I'm still pretty bummed and I'm really not sure whether I should keep her on this feed (the good thing is that its $2 cheaper) or move her on to something else. My only other options though are other Safe Choice formulas (senior, prime, maintenance, or perform), DuMor pleasure horse feed, or Omleen 300.

I guess my biggest worry with this feed (its Safe Choice Special Care by the way) is that it says its for easy keepers which Kenzie definitely is NOT, but I'm not really too sure. I'm still pretty new to this whole complicated nutrition thing xD Do you guys think it will be ok to feed this like I was with her old feed, or do I need to slowly introduce it as a precaution? I still have about 20 lbs of mare and foal left (about a weeks worth) so I can if need be.

Anyways, I did decide to just go ahead and invest in my own bag of rice bran since even if Kenzie won't eat it, ten to one I can find someone else who will buy it off of me since a lot of my friends use it. I paid a little extra for the pellets but IMO its worth it since SOMEONE likes to shove feed out of her bucket and eat it off the ground, causing her to not get any of the powders I give her. How much do you guys think I ought to be giving her? Obviously I have to work her up to the full amount but how much in the end? Half of a pound? Three fourths?

I did decide against the BOSS for now though. There were a bunch of ingredients that I didn't know on the package of them and the last thing I need to do is poison poor Kenzie or something!
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They label "Safe Choice Special Care" as being for easy keepers....but, when I tried it out on Lacey last summer, it packed on the pounds so hard!! Of course, she is pretty much the QUEEN of easy keepers but I had to take her off of it within a week of starting it because she was gaining a scary amount of weight.
She doesn't need anymore more than a ration balancer in the summer to keep her weight perfect. Triple Crown 30% is perfect for her.
I ended up feeding the rest of the SafeChoice to Lady [this was when I was still fostering demon pony] and it did a great job putting weight on her. I fed SafeChoice and rice bran to Miss Lady, got her nice and fat.

Anyway, I think you should be ok. Also, maybe I'm missing something: 14% protein in both feeds, 7% fat in the Safe Choice and 6% in your old feed? In that case, this newer feed shoulllld theoretically be better for weight gain since it has 7% fat...which is more/'better' than 6%...right?

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Hmm it has similar protein and fat quanitities but the vitamins and minerals is lacking.. however it might be okay!

Do you have access to FeedXL?

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