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post #271 of 444 Old 10-29-2013, 10:28 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks Egrogan. I understand why they would want to do that too, so I'm not holding my breath that they'll agree to a long term lease, but there's no harm in discussing it I guess. Either way though, if Sour is happy as a lesson horse (She is going to be SO cute) I can learn to be happy without her. I've felt like I've been neglecting her lately and just adores driving.

Oh, and a 'peek into my life' I took my SAT again on Oct 5th...and got a WAAAAY better score than my first time. My original score was 1560 with a very bad math score, but I boosted it a ton this time and go a 1820 with above average scores on everything!!!

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post #272 of 444 Old 10-29-2013, 06:02 PM
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If you are confident that Sour's prospective buyers are going to provide a good home, why the lease? To their benefit so they have an out? If so, I'd be leary. What if they mess something up in training and try to blame it on you? If they are confident and able, then why the hesitation?
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They said that they wanted to lease at first because of her age, and they weren't sure if she would be able to handle the program since she's only 5. I know about the academy (my old trainer that helped start Sour for me came from there) and I know that take care of the animals, but they do have fairly strenuous work loads. The academy has only 7 driving lesson horses. Two drafts, four lighter horses, and the mini that they're replacing, and apparently they have quite a few clients, so each horse works at least 4 days a week for 2-3 hours. Their idea was that if she just doesn't hold up to the work load or seems stressed by it/not willing to work they would end the lease after 6 months, but if she seems like a good fit they would buy her. I think her age and the fact that she has had no show experience except for two 'fun' showmanship shows is what makes them balk at buying her outright since there is no guarantee she'll do well in the show ring with lesson drivers.

Does it seem fishy to you, or like maybe I should just tell them they either buy her outright or they don't at all?

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post #274 of 444 Old 10-29-2013, 06:55 PM
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Sorry, Endiku, I just don't have the experience with that kind of scenario to provide advice or insight.

I don't see why she couldn't handle the workload if she is healthy. That's not a lot of work for a horse, mini or not. The show factor: I have no idea. But, there are NEVER guarantees with horses. What if she is hurt while with them? Whose responsibility will that be and if you have to take back a horse that will no longer be capable of performing at whatever discipline, how do you find a new home? Just an example of what "could" go wrong.

Maybe you should start a new thread about Sour's current situation. Get more input. This thread is pretty vague -- it's almost "Endiku's thread" rather than "The happy thread."
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post #275 of 444 Old 10-29-2013, 07:05 PM Thread Starter
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XD yeah, that's what its become hasn't it? Its just so complicated to have 50 threads with my billion and two problems so I end up just sort of throwing all in one. Maybe I will start one for her, asking people's opinions.


Back on track with Kenzie though, do you guys have any suggestions for presenting her to the prospective buyers? I had a general idea with Sour because obviously they were going to want to see her tacked and driven, but with Kenzie I just have no idea. Should I leave her in the pasture and offer for them to catch her or watch me catch her? Tie her up and have her waiting for them? I'm going to bathe her Friday morning (its still 80 degrees here) before she is floated so I'm hoping she'll just need brushed down and have her mane untangled before they get there. Should I braid her, leave her hair loose? I really have no idea. I'm assuming the trainer is going to want to mess with her some, since she'd be the one taking over Kenzie's training if they bought her, and be the one starting her under saddle in a year or two. Should I have a water hose, fly spray, blanket, ground pole, etc out and ready to demonstrate what she's comfortable with and what she can do ground-work wise?

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post #276 of 444 Old 10-29-2013, 07:31 PM
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That's a tough one re: Sour. On one hand, it's nice to think that there will be a chance to see how she fits into the program before she's 100% committed to it. On the other hand, as NorthernMama has said, there are a thousand things that can go wrong with horses and who would be liable. I mean, as a kind of worse case scenario, if the horse went lame and they gave her back, you would then be stuck trying to fix a lame, unsellable horse.

As an afterthought, plenty of people do loans with view to buy, but you're best writing out a detailed contract that makes liability clear for every situation you can imagine.

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post #277 of 444 Old 10-29-2013, 09:28 PM
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For Sour, I wish I could give advice but don't know what to say other than good luck!!

For Kenzie, I would personally choose to leave her loose so they can see she is easily caught and have a few things out and ready in case they want to see how she reacts to them. The more you show them how comfortable she is with things, the better they will end up feeling about committing to a horse that they will have to train in the coming years.
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Ok, sounds good! I'm really not worried at all about her being caught. She comes trotting up to meet me when she sees me, and while she doesn't quite do that with strangers (understandable) she lets the members of Family P catch and handle her whenever they bring her in for the night without any fuss at all, and often even walks up to them. She had been having some minor problems with picking up her back feet and holding them quietly for strangers but we have that worked out now. Fingers crossed!

And with the fly spray, which was the biggest demon she had to face for whatever reason, I can now spray every inch of her body and half way up her neck (I don't do above that with the aerosol can because it might sting if I got it in her eyes/mouth) without even tying her, so I don't have to tell them that's a vice any more. She's still a bugger about worming though.

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post #279 of 444 Old 10-29-2013, 09:42 PM
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That's awesome! I would definitely show off everything that she does well Worming is a different story for most horses though... As long as you're able to get it done it's better than it could be! Haha
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post #280 of 444 Old 10-29-2013, 09:46 PM
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Imo - For Kensie - i agree w/ leaving her loose and go get her/have them go get her when they arrive. It would be good to have some things handy to show what she can do, but i would let the lady 'take the lead' as far as what she wants to do/see (within reason, of course). Hope all goes well there....

As far as Sour....leases are always 'risky' and it is a must to have all your bases covered in a contact. I can understand them wanting to 'test her out' for 6 mo, and if she is not happy there i am sure you would prefer to be able to find her a better situation. Just be sure the contract covers all possible scenarios....
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