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        02-10-2012, 12:15 PM
      #11
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    Thanks for al the responses, guys. I was worrying about being flamed because I'm so fed up with the dog.

    She lets her dog get after her horse at her house and at mine, and the dog gets after my horses at my house, her house, etc... anywhere.

    She also will not get rid of the dog. She had a border collie a few years ago that was very well trained (her family bought him trained, though) and he was a doll. He disappeared on her (thought stolen because he was beautiful, well trained, and a great dog in general) and so her family got her another one. It's not just her that lets the dog get away with this stuff, it's her entire family.

    Some other people out here have border collies and they are dolls... but this one, while nice and sweet, is just... you get what i'm sayng... not really trained.
         
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        02-10-2012, 12:48 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Well, I don't think she has to get rid of it, she just needs to contain it.

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    Originally Posted by Britt    
    Thanks for al the responses, guys. I was worrying about being flamed because I'm so fed up with the dog.

    She lets her dog get after her horse at her house and at mine, and the dog gets after my horses at my house, her house, etc... anywhere.

    She also will not get rid of the dog. She had a border collie a few years ago that was very well trained (her family bought him trained, though) and he was a doll. He disappeared on her (thought stolen because he was beautiful, well trained, and a great dog in general) and so her family got her another one. It's not just her that lets the dog get away with this stuff, it's her entire family.

    Some other people out here have border collies and they are dolls... but this one, while nice and sweet, is just... you get what i'm sayng... not really trained.
         
        02-10-2012, 01:00 PM
      #13
    Trained
    I would get that dog some professional training
    I would also tell your cousin to leave her dogs at home
         
        02-10-2012, 01:03 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    Tell her that if the dog cause any injuries to your horses she is liable for all bills that is how it works in NY state do you think that if your horse got her dog that she would not come after you for the vet bills
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        02-10-2012, 01:21 PM
      #15
    Foal
    I have owned a border coli and currently have two dogs now. I love dogs and horses but I wouldn't tollerate a dog biting at my horse. My dog loves to try and get into my chicken pen and if he doesn't listen to stay with me I keep him inside. What if your horse reared up with you on or was always scared of dogs so you could never have one of your own join you? Your cousin needs to understand that her not training that dog to be obedient will eventually cost it and her with vet bills. I have seen dogs that have been kicked and its so sad. I agree that it needs to be left home.
         
        02-10-2012, 02:04 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    Unless you are willing to train that dog, please don't crack it with a whip.

    Correcting any dog with a harsh means without proper training techniques to back it up will only create a mean streak in the dog. Period. It takes more than just whipping a dog with a crop to learn something.

    Border collies are smart and cunning. All you will manage to do is make it distrust you. Not your horses. The dog will run from you or will decide to one day take you on. And an unaltered female will be worse.

    If you want the dog to learn to respect horses, the horses have to teach the dog to respect them with force, or you have to spend the time working as a dog trainer to teach the dog inappropriate behavior and REWARD the appropriate behavior.

    You can't do only 1/2 the job and expect positive results.

    I will say this. I find it funny how many people in this thread condone using an object of any sorts to hit or whip a dog, without appropriate training but would throw a gasket if you said you used a martingale to teach your horse head position. Not to mention the amount of discussion on this forum about "natural horsemanship" and appropriate training techniques.

    Border collies have a dna makeup that gives them a lot of confidence and are very extraverted dogs. They are not the typical "guard dog" but they have a lot of the similar characterists of dogs bred to protect and serve. These dogs, in my opinion, are worse. True guard dogs are bred to attack based on man's command.

    Most herding dogs will attack if they feel threatened or if their "charges" are threatened.

    If this was a pitbull, rotweiller, or mastiff, would you approach it and start whipping it with your crop? Or would you think about the flip side of the dog's reaction?

    Based on your posting, this dog has feral (herding) instincts and does not respect humans. I wouldn't take the chance myself.

    I'm sorry, I don't mean to be negative, but your suggestion will not work effectively.
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        02-10-2012, 02:12 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Now that my *rant* is done, your final question is, "are you going against your boundaries?"

    The real answer is to your question is the answer to this question: "What are your boundaries?"

    Is this private land, family land, your family, her family, shared family?

    Unless it is your private land owned by your immediate family, you have no rights.

    I will make an assumption based on the statements you made that this is shared family property. Maybe your great-grandmother's? You are both keeping your horses at G.Gmothers? Then you really don't have any rights.

    All you can do is take the matter to the adults (or property owners) and ask them to set boundaries and rules.

    Or, move your horse to a place you have more decision making ability. If you were at a barn, paying a monthly board fee, and the owner's dog behaved this way, what would you do?

    Hit THEIR dog? What if they said, NEVER touch my dog? Well, the response on this forum would be, MOVE your horse.

    Sorry, didn't mean to lecture (again.) But those are the options as I see them.
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        02-10-2012, 02:21 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    Crack the owner with the whip, it's her fault .
    If it was my horse they would have got one warning, then I wouldnt let them come back with the dog.
    SOunds like a situation where both of you are keeping horses on another family members land. The actual owner of the land needs to tell said cousin to leave the dog at home. If the landowner can't or wont enfocre this your options are to move your horse, beat the snot out of said cousin, or kill the dog.
         
        02-10-2012, 02:34 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Joe4d    
    crack the owner with the whip, it's her fault .
    If it was my horse they would have got one warning, then I wouldnt let them come back with the dog.
    SOunds like a situation where both of you are keeping horses on another family members land. The actual owner of the land needs to tell said cousin to leave the dog at home. If the landowner can't or wont enfocre this your options are to move your horse, beat the snot out of said cousin, or kill the dog.
    I can agree to that.
         
        02-10-2012, 02:44 PM
      #20
    Trained
    AQHsam: You make a very good point. Hitting the dog will probably just teach it to chase horses where you can't reach it. The drive to herd in a border collie is akin to drug addiction. If it were the OPs dog then she could get some handle on it and redirect the drive but since its not then she's in a pickle.

    The dog likely won't learn by getting kicked either. If I don't keep an eye on my dog she will still go into the corral to torment the horses and she was almost killed less than a week ago.

    To OP: Maybe you should post this in a dog forum and see what solutions dog trainers could offer you. I've seen some trainers teach thier dogs not to get off a tub or block unless they're told to so that they learn patience. Ideally with a dog that has that much herd drive she would put the dogs need above her own and sell or give it to someone with a job for the dog to do.
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