Originally Posted by bsms
Your cost has nothing to do with market value. My wife's 2004 Ford Explorer cost us far more than it is worth now. If you spend $600/month training your horse for a year, you'd better hope he has the performance record to back up his value - or you will take a huge loss.
Like I stated in the original post I got it off Facebook. Personally I wouldn't pay $600/month unless it was a proven professional that has been doing it for years with many happy customers. But that's not the point of the post, its to show how much money/time goes into training a horse to be kid safe. Also it states on the picture that the prices for everything listed are subject to change depending on your area.
Originally Posted by maura
While I sympathize with the sentiment, there's simply no evidence for a dollars in = value out equation.
Truly child safe horses have usually returned part of their value equation to their owners and trainers long before a market price is set. That said, there should be a minimum price point set on any horse that truly has enough good mileage to be considered child safe. However, that minimum price STILL has nothing to do with dollars in.
People who try to negotiate the price on a child safe horse usually end up negotiating the child's safety.
IMHO, you are never going to get the amount out of a horse that you put in it, BUT if you want a well broke horse you have to understand where the people are coming from when they ask for what they do. I know around here you can't buy a truly broke horse for less then $1000, and I know other places that its upwards of $2000.
The point that I'm trying to get at with this post is that horses are expensive, and if you want a safe horse/pony for your kid then you have to think about what money has been put in before you start asking people to give away their truly kid safe horse.
Originally Posted by AmazinCaucasian
But I do see people wanting a kid-broke horse that grandma can ride, dad can rope on, etc. And they don't want to pay more than 400. Oh, and the horse can't be over 6 yrs. Old
Exactly! In order to have a kid safe horse, it has to have YEARS, and most people don't want an older horse because they think it'll kick the bucket in a few years.
I've seen so many ads for kid safe three year olds.
The horse is JUST being started under saddle at that age or not even ridden yet (or should be)!
Originally Posted by chandra1313
I'm not unwilling to pay for it, but what I discovered was people put that on their ads and then you get there and the horse is nowhere near that.
If people were more willing to list a horses faults so that the person could make their minds up with all the information then paying a fair price wouldn't be so hard.
When people start talking about making money off horses I always get a little twitchy, there is no real money to be made by the average horse person.
That is why you go and try the horse/pony out, and ride it around for an hour or so. Figure out what it knows, how it acts, and do everything that you know you'd be doing with it. Take it a few feet down the road to see if its good there, anything and everything you can think of that you're going to encounter ask the horse to do. Bring desensitizing things with you, like bags, and bottles and make them move and crackle.
That is why you email the people and ask for faults, and if they say the horse doesn't have any go try it out and do the above.
I said the same thing above.
Originally Posted by ThirteenAcres
I have one now that didn't cost me a cent and in the past I've paid heavily for something of the same quality.
If you know what to look for and you are out for the right reason you can usually find a good deal but it takes wading through a whole lot of crap to get one. And that is truly not worth it. Just pay what the horse is worth and be smart about what you look for. That is my opinion on it.
That is rare to find a good horse for cheap, but it does happen. I paid $800 for my barrel mare, and most of the time we beat the $2000 barrel horses with bad habits, like not listening to aids when in the chute, having no brakes, or rearing, etc.
IMO looking through all the crap and finally finding my perfect horse is exciting, but I find it fun looking for horses to buy.
Originally Posted by chandra1313
The real problem is when you first start off your as green as the horse your looking for, I know I was.
I actually thought that when he said he would come and break it for me that their was going to be a bronc ride and bam I would be riding the next day lmao
That's why its always best to find someone (or a few people) to help you look, and go with you to look at the horse.
I'm sorry, but that is so funny because when I was little I thought the same thing!
Originally Posted by Missy May
The way this is normally put :
It is not the initial investment, its the up-keep.
I think that is what the people were trying to get at when they made the photo, I was just having trouble saying that.
Originally Posted by soenjer55
With the hay prices the way they are now, I wish it actually was 'investment= value'... I would have gotten a heck of a lot more for the two horses we sold (CHEAP) recently, lol. Well, a good home for them is enough...
Investment doesn't equal value, but its so that people understand how much money went into the horse that someone is selling for $1000 or more.
Originally Posted by smrobs
For some reason, non-horsey people believe that horses are born broke and require no actual training to be suitable for kids/grandparents/beginners/husbands/etc.
They don't consider that the type of horse they really need has been under saddle for no less than 5-10 years. That's 5-10 years of feed, training, care, work, etc, that have already gone into it. Not to mention that not every horse will make a good child/beginner mount.
Non-horsey people think of horses more along the lines of cars; being flashy and pretty and young = more money. He's ugly and older? He's bottom of the line and should be cheap.
I know; I wish that it was that easy.
Exactly, my mare that was put down last year at age 30+ wasn't a kid safe horse, and the older she got the more she wasn't a kid horse. It depends on the horse.