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post #11 of 24 Old 05-08-2012, 06:16 AM
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I as a non horsey first time buyer thought if I buy one that is young I will have years ahead of me to ride him.
I don't think of buying hay and having farrier work done as value put in. It's like buying milk or gassing up your car. Putting professional training on them has value and recouping that seems fair.
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You get paid back on training either by their improved performance or by your improved pleasure in riding them.

In Dec 2010, I sold a purebred Arabian, with probably $2000 in training (we bought her 'never ridden'), for $600. I probably could have gotten $1000 for her on the open market, but wanted her to go to someone who cared about horses and wouldn't use her as a 2/month ride.

I got my value in watching her training, and in the riding we did with her afterward. It is like remodeling a house - with rare exceptions, you don't get the money back when you sell.

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I would be perfectly willing to pay for a kid broke horse if it were really kid broke...
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post #14 of 24 Old 05-08-2012, 09:43 AM
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I absolutely agree. Most new to horses don't have a clue what it takes to make a true kid's horse. I can't count the number of times I've been asked (begged even) to sell my old sorrel mare, I always answer with "Can you reimburse me for the 20 years it took to make her the solid, old mare she is today?" If someone would take me up on it, I might consider selling her

My biggest frustration isn't price tag, it's how many sellers tout their horses as kid safe, beginner friendly, bomb proof (hate that term) when they are far from it. I'm looking for a student right now, big enough budget, but even those in the price range have all had issues not suitable for a kid to try to deal with. I'm sorry but I'm not going to pay 10k for a horse that has to be lunged until it's sweaty because it's so cold backed it will dump the kid if he just wants to go ride or has to be sedated to have it's feet trimmed or...or...or.
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Originally Posted by bsms View Post
Your cost has nothing to do with market value. My wife's 2004 Ford Explorer cost us far more than it is worth now. If you spend $600/month training your horse for a year, you'd better hope he has the performance record to back up his value - or you will take a huge loss.
Like I stated in the original post I got it off Facebook. Personally I wouldn't pay $600/month unless it was a proven professional that has been doing it for years with many happy customers. But that's not the point of the post, its to show how much money/time goes into training a horse to be kid safe. Also it states on the picture that the prices for everything listed are subject to change depending on your area.

Originally Posted by maura View Post
While I sympathize with the sentiment, there's simply no evidence for a dollars in = value out equation.

Truly child safe horses have usually returned part of their value equation to their owners and trainers long before a market price is set. That said, there should be a minimum price point set on any horse that truly has enough good mileage to be considered child safe. However, that minimum price STILL has nothing to do with dollars in.

People who try to negotiate the price on a child safe horse usually end up negotiating the child's safety.
IMHO, you are never going to get the amount out of a horse that you put in it, BUT if you want a well broke horse you have to understand where the people are coming from when they ask for what they do. I know around here you can't buy a truly broke horse for less then $1000, and I know other places that its upwards of $2000.

The point that I'm trying to get at with this post is that horses are expensive, and if you want a safe horse/pony for your kid then you have to think about what money has been put in before you start asking people to give away their truly kid safe horse.

Originally Posted by AmazinCaucasian View Post
But I do see people wanting a kid-broke horse that grandma can ride, dad can rope on, etc. And they don't want to pay more than 400. Oh, and the horse can't be over 6 yrs. old
Exactly! In order to have a kid safe horse, it has to have YEARS, and most people don't want an older horse because they think it'll kick the bucket in a few years.

I've seen so many ads for kid safe three year olds. The horse is JUST being started under saddle at that age or not even ridden yet (or should be)!

Originally Posted by chandra1313 View Post
I'm not unwilling to pay for it, but what I discovered was people put that on their ads and then you get there and the horse is nowhere near that.

If people were more willing to list a horses faults so that the person could make their minds up with all the information then paying a fair price wouldn't be so hard.

When people start talking about making money off horses I always get a little twitchy, there is no real money to be made by the average horse person.
That is why you go and try the horse/pony out, and ride it around for an hour or so. Figure out what it knows, how it acts, and do everything that you know you'd be doing with it. Take it a few feet down the road to see if its good there, anything and everything you can think of that you're going to encounter ask the horse to do. Bring desensitizing things with you, like bags, and bottles and make them move and crackle.

That is why you email the people and ask for faults, and if they say the horse doesn't have any go try it out and do the above.

I said the same thing above.

Originally Posted by ThirteenAcres View Post
I have one now that didn't cost me a cent and in the past I've paid heavily for something of the same quality.

If you know what to look for and you are out for the right reason you can usually find a good deal but it takes wading through a whole lot of crap to get one. And that is truly not worth it. Just pay what the horse is worth and be smart about what you look for. That is my opinion on it.
That is rare to find a good horse for cheap, but it does happen. I paid $800 for my barrel mare, and most of the time we beat the $2000 barrel horses with bad habits, like not listening to aids when in the chute, having no brakes, or rearing, etc.

IMO looking through all the crap and finally finding my perfect horse is exciting, but I find it fun looking for horses to buy.

Originally Posted by chandra1313 View Post
The real problem is when you first start off your as green as the horse your looking for, I know I was.

I actually thought that when he said he would come and break it for me that their was going to be a bronc ride and bam I would be riding the next day lmao
That's why its always best to find someone (or a few people) to help you look, and go with you to look at the horse.

I'm sorry, but that is so funny because when I was little I thought the same thing!

Originally Posted by Missy May View Post
The way this is normally put :

It is not the initial investment, its the up-keep.
I think that is what the people were trying to get at when they made the photo, I was just having trouble saying that.

Originally Posted by soenjer55 View Post
With the hay prices the way they are now, I wish it actually was 'investment= value'... I would have gotten a heck of a lot more for the two horses we sold (CHEAP) recently, lol. Well, a good home for them is enough...
Investment doesn't equal value, but its so that people understand how much money went into the horse that someone is selling for $1000 or more.

Originally Posted by smrobs View Post
For some reason, non-horsey people believe that horses are born broke and require no actual training to be suitable for kids/grandparents/beginners/husbands/etc.

They don't consider that the type of horse they really need has been under saddle for no less than 5-10 years. That's 5-10 years of feed, training, care, work, etc, that have already gone into it. Not to mention that not every horse will make a good child/beginner mount.

Non-horsey people think of horses more along the lines of cars; being flashy and pretty and young = more money. He's ugly and older? He's bottom of the line and should be cheap.
I know; I wish that it was that easy.

Exactly, my mare that was put down last year at age 30+ wasn't a kid safe horse, and the older she got the more she wasn't a kid horse. It depends on the horse.

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post #16 of 24 Old 05-08-2012, 11:57 AM
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I have been lucky enough to have gotten three kid safe horses over the years - and I do mean LUCKY!

The first was some sort of Welch cob, the draft kind. I paid $100 for him and that included delivery 50 miles away. This guy was great and my four year old coudl halter and him walk him all over the place. I could toss her up on his back and they would trot up and down the driveway. The vet estimated his age at about 35 due to his almost complete lack of any teeth. We had him for a fantastic four years before one day he just didn't wake up.

The second kid horse I got was from a rescue. He was in his late teens. He was dumped at the rescue because even though he was completely blind in one eye and partially blind in the other, he had started to bring home red ribbons instead of blue ones. That little Arab carried my then 7 year old daughter up and over the steepest of hills and I never once had to worry about her. He was worth his weight in gold.

The third kid safe horse I got I traded a rather expensive show horse for - though as we don't show, she was not worth that much to us as she was an arena horse and we rode trails. The mare we got was the ugliest horse I have ever seen, but I could toss my kid up on her and we could take off down the trails and I knew she was safe. She was ornery, a SOB to catch, and generally not a likable horse, but she kept my kid safe and that was all that mattered. She was in her early 20s.

All in all, I lucked out with finding good kid's horses for my daughter. I wish the Arab had lived longer (we lost him to cancer after just two years), but we really enjoyed the time we had with him. The ugly Morgan was outgrown and went on to be another kid's confidance builder - for free. I cant put a price on a kid's safety, even if it is not my kid!
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I've been blessed with some really good ones, one of my favorites was a large pony that took a bunch of my kids to their first shows, PC rallies, events and fox hunting. Good mover, scored in the 60s in his dressage tests with a good kid on him. Got him when he was 18 and he stayed useful into his 30s.

The last several years I had him I got cash offers for him any time I took him anywhere, but significantly, never from parents or new owners, always from other professionals. Other professionals would watch him take care of a kid and pack them around a course and walk over to me at the rail and make an offer. I would say "You know he's 23, right?" and the answer would be "Yes, I don't care, I need something like that in my barn." The point being, other professionals recognized what a truly precious thing a kind, kid safe horse was, and they didn't care about color or age. I never, ever considered selling him at any price because he was irreplacable.

So, if the point of the original post is that most people have no idea what it takes to make a truly made kid safe horse, I heartily concur. And I'm sorry if I got bogged down in the silliness of expecting to recoup your feed cost when you sell, and missed that very good point.
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All in all, I lucked out with finding good kid's horses for my daughter. I wish the Arab had lived longer (we lost him to cancer after just two years), but we really enjoyed the time we had with him. The ugly Morgan was outgrown and went on to be another kid's confidance builder - for free. I cant put a price on a kid's safety, even if it is not my kid![/QUOTE]

I like your attitude Yadlim, its nice to pass a good kid horse off to another kid.
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I just bought a 13yr old mare quarter horse. I sent my husband out and his friend to look at her and stayed home. They were asking 500 and she had been a broodmare for 7yrs. The lady was very upfront told me that she was as broke as could be but after 7yrs of not being ridden she didn't know how the mare would do.
My husband likes to get right to the point so jumped on her barebacked with a rope halter and lead rope on, she listened. His friend likes to check out how sensitive they are. His friend came home drooling and my husband said she was gorgeous, had lots of muscles. I spent two days thinking on it and went out to see her for myself, I was sold when I led her around and not once did I feel like she was going to step on me. She respected my space and needed very little asking to back and follow.
I felt guilty for only paying 500 dollars for such a sweet girl. I didn't care that she was registered. I just wanted a good ole mare.
I got lucky they were getting out of the breeding business and needed to move some horses.
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My 10 yo gelding was supposed to have been a "been there done that" horse that was used for lessons. I can tell you that the next horse I buy will be at a proper weight and cared for because it's amazing how different they are with some good groceries. a first time horseowner, I found a great trainer and I should end up with a horse I can use. But, alas, I still want to find one for the boys to learn on. Too bad a lot of the people selling don't advertise what they really have.

So, I am re-training the one I have and still looking for that family-friendly equine. If anyone is here in North Texas and knows of one, let me know! :) And, yes, I am willing to pay a fair price.
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