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    11-24-2010, 06:40 PM
Originally Posted by Ohiohorseman    
First, my story that the frame corroded to the point where the axle came loose is completely true and the suggestion that it is "fabricated" is insulting. Second, the trailer was well maintained with the wheel bearings being packed annually, as recommended, and other repairs being made as necessary. As is usually the case, the deficiencies surfaced after the relatively short warranty period had expired, so those repairs were made on my dime. However, the trailer was fully operational, although deteriorating, up to the time that the axle came loose, as I had hauled two adult horses in it just the week before. Third, in response to Faye's continued attempts to give legal advice, I am not at all concerned about criticizing Bison as a manufacturer because (1) everything that I said is true, and truth is always a complete defense to any claim of defamation, and (2) Bison is now out of business (perhaps due to their inferior product), so the comments that Faye chided me about are irrelevant to their business reputation anyway. Fourth, I offered my comments in good faith as a warning to others who might be considering the purchase of a used Bison trailer. And I say again, buy one at your own risk. Finally, none of you know me or my reputation or manner of practice, so your bashing of me simply because I am a lawyer is completely out of line and entirely irrelevant to the discussion.
Well said. I agree with every thing that you said except that you couldn't give me a bison. I am sure the people bashing you do not have as good as careers as you but possibly bigger ego's
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    11-24-2010, 06:42 PM
Originally Posted by mls    
We still haven't been told if it was properly maintained.

I think it's interesting that an attorney would come to a public forum to bash anything. I sure know mine wouldn't do something so childish.
I do not think it is childish, my attorney told me about a web site called rip off report to say my gripes in a public forum.
    11-24-2010, 06:44 PM
Originally Posted by faye    
Ohiohorseman. If Bison have gone out of business who do you intend to bring a case against then?
If they went bakrupt there is nothing left to get and nothing that you will achieve, you can't exactly make them withdraw thier product as they are not making product anylonger. You can't damage the companies profitability because there is no company. I honestly can't see why you would bother, what do you hope to gain from it?

BTW there is more to maintianing a trailer then an annual wheel bareing change. That's like saying - oh I maintain my car as I top up the oil once a year!
They may be out of business but they had an insurance policy that you may be able to go back on.
    11-24-2010, 06:48 PM
Green Broke
Unlikely if they have been out of business for any length of time. Insurance generaly only pays out within 1 year of the last payment of the insurance premium.
    11-24-2010, 10:03 PM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by faye    
unlikely if they have been out of business for any length of time. Insurance generaly only pays out within 1 year of the last payment of the insurance premium.
Maybe in the UK, but by the OP's name, I am assuming he lives in the states. It is quite possible that there are different laws in place, and with him being a lawyer, might know.

Thank you OP, for bringing the corroded (sp) frame and axle to our attention. Bison Trailer owners can now be on the look out for it, in case they have have a fear of it happening to them. I am glad your horses were not in the trailer at the time.

To everyone: This can happen to any trailer. The trailer could be well kept and maintained, but if something happened at the time of fabrication, it is possible that it rusted and corroded (sp sorry) without being noticed. Sundowner, featherlite, jamco, 4star etc etc are all susceptable to this as well. I would assume that it would be a rare incident that it happens in any trailer, but it is a possibility.
    11-24-2010, 10:45 PM
Thank you for a thread that draws attention to dangers of ignorance.

I think regardless of the make and quality, it is our responsibility as equipment owners to be aware of what we are driving and pulling, both motorized and not. Whether a horse trailer, a quad, a camper, a motorcycle, a truck, car, etc. etc. I see far too many people that have no clue whatsoever about their equipment. I can't number the amount of times I have gotten into a vehicle with someone and asked, "how long have you had that rattle in your right front wheel?" or something equally obvious (to me, anyway). How can someone pulling a car hauler not notice that one tire is just about completely flat? Or drive with only one headlight? Or not check the lights on their trailer before they pull out of the yard? Yet time and time again I see it.

We own it, we drive it, we are responsible for it. I have driven rust buckets, and trailers that aren't the best, but so far (knock on wood) I have never been surprised about any repair needed on any of my equipment. I KNOW what's there.
    11-25-2010, 09:38 AM
I also think it would be difficult to crawl under a trailer low to the ground and see anything to a great extent. As it's sitting it could look fine and then hit a bump and something snaps.
    11-25-2010, 10:16 AM
Green Broke
They are not that low to the ground. The skirts on my lorry are far lower, all it takes is a horse rug on the ground and to shimmy under on your back.

When I had a trailer it went for a full service at the dealership twice a year, this included inspection of all the welds, all the panels, inspection of the floor, electrics and axels as well as appropraite grease and repairs. Cost 150 each time but 300 a year for peace of mind is nothing.
Every time it went out it was cleaned underneath. Either when we got back or first thing the next morning I hosed with a power hose and then I power hosed the insides to make sure that the urine didnt rot the floor. Once it had been hosed it got a 5 min inspection of underneath,Just shimmy on your back under it the full length looking for corrosion or damage that could have been done on the journey.
Lights etc got a quick check everytime we hitched it up.

For a whole axel to fall off the corrosion would have very easily been visable to a quick underneath inspection and would have been for a fairly long time.
    11-25-2010, 11:00 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by faye    
They are not that low to the ground. The skirts on my lorry are far lower, all it takes is a horse rug on the ground and to shimmy under on your back.
I do not see my almost 80 year old Grandpa, let alone myself, getting on a blanket to crawl under a trailer. A trailer that still gets used several times a month no less.

We clean the poop out of the trailer and occasionally hose the inside down, but definitely do not wash the outside or underneath.

Not everyone has that type of money to be spending on having the trailer checked twice a year.

On a hunt not that long ago, an axel broke on someones trailer. They had just had it within the past month to get the brakes done on it, but the axel still broke. Things get missed even by certified mechanics.

Taking it to a dealer/mechanic is not a guarantee that everything is hunkydory with your trailer, let alone by checking it yourself all the time. There will be things that you will not be able to see that could be causing damage (rust/corrosion/other not so good stuff) to the trailer. It is not always a case of it being directly visible.
    11-25-2010, 05:34 PM
I find it more than a little amusing that smrobs and faye have the audacity to comment on the maintenance of a horse trailer that neither of them has ever seen. For their information, the corrosion occurred at the point of attachment of the aluminum skin to the steel chassis, and was due to the fact that there was not a proper separation between the metals, which allowed electrolysis to occur. That is a defect in design, materials and fabrication and there is no maintenance that would have prevented it. The Gore trailer that I have now has a mylar layer between the aluminum and steel to prevent that problem. Also, because of the way in which the axle brackets attached to the frame, the corrision was hidden from any normal inspection. And let me say yet again, my purpose in the original post was to warn anyone that was considering the purchase of a used Bison trailer because of their poor design and fabrication. It was only you, faye, who leaped to the conclusion that my objective was to damage the manufacturer in some way.

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