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    09-01-2013, 05:07 AM
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Green Broke
Feds are cracking down on horse trailers.

How Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations Affect Horse Trailers.

UPDATE: You May Need A Commercial Driver's License - GoHorseShow.com

The above are links to the CDL sites, explaining the requirements you need to drive if your GRVW is over certain limit.

If you train, you are a commercial hauler if you are competing for any type of prize, even if your own horses.


While this won't apply to most of us, if you show, or even if you have a 1 ton dually, it can impact you, as most of the newer duallies are over the weight limit.

A trainer friend of mine, got stopped on way to Tom Powers. She has 6 horse, one ton and was on Highway 18, at 6 am when sheriff pulled her over. She got 9 citations, (only ticketed her for 2) and had to sit by side of road for 2 hours as well with loaded trailer.

And when she went back to sheriff car? He had her pulled up on computer, as in any place her name was mentioned as a trainer or winning? And wanted to know how she was going to ride 6 horses at a show??? And when she said 2 were just going to be exposed to showing, he wanted to know why she was doing that?

She now is legal, but took money and time and worry to get there.

According to requirements you also have to have logbooks, medical card, DOT # on truck, flares, fire extinguisher, forms for mileage crossing state lines, # for fuel purposes/taxes, do inspections and such.

Health papers and Coggins are being checked, and would not be surprised to see them start checking registration papers to see if name of owner on that is same as what is on Coggins, most barns get their Coggins pulled in barn/trainer name for the ease of it. But that may be coming to an end.

And DOT can and will declare you "Out of Service" too, which means you don't move until they say you can. Not good with live horses on.

Something to consider, and more money out of our pockets.
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    09-01-2013, 07:31 AM
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That is crazy, just another way for the Feds and States to make money.

In all my years I have never personally seen a wrecked Horse Trailer, but I have seen over a dozen Travel Trailers, if the Feds and States need to go after anyone it is the vacationers pulling those Travel Trailers that are twice as big as the vehicle towing them!!!

That is the real dangers to others, not a Horse Trailer


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    09-01-2013, 12:14 PM
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Green Broke
Never seen a wrecked horse trailer?

Louisiana teen driving tractor-trailer hits and kills 2 women changing tire in Colorado - U.S. News

My hubby has a CDL (so we're legal as yes, he does all the driving when hauling livestock) and let me tell you, when you drive all over heck and back daily, you will see the most bizarre accidents and incidentally he has seen far more wrecked horse trailers or hay bales all over the road then RV's. Course we don't exactly live in a "touristy" area so gigundo RV's are rare and horse trailers and overloaded trailers of hay are normal.

So easy to point fingers in the direction of others... Reality is that whether it's a gigundo RV or a trailer of horses, weight is WEIGHT and all that weight going down the road is extremely hard to stop and easily tipped or smashed into other vehicles or property. I have absolutely no issues with a CDL being required of anyone transporting ANYTHING over a certain length/weight.

You want to drive massive, heavy loads? Take a test and prove you are capable of doing so. It's not a time-consuming, expensive burden IF you are capable of properly driving a massive heavy load. I think my hubby sent 2 weekends playing around with various commercial vehicles in an enclosed area just for such purposes and then passed his tests with flying colors. Only becomes a heavy burden when you find yourself in need of classes to LEARN how to safely operate heavy machinery with heavy loads and if you are in need of those classes, you shouldn't be hauling a heavy load in the first place!!!
     
    09-01-2013, 12:46 PM
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Trained
I think that everyone should have to undergo some kind of training and testing to be able to pull any kind of trailer. I cringe when I see mom and pop professional pulling two cent Canadian Tire trailer loaded with crap not properly tied, swinging all over the road on dinky toy tires. Or people with campers, boats, enclosed trailers, whatever... and they have no clue how to drive safely with a trailer much less what to do in an emergency situation.

While I don't think a CDL should be required for personal use, I do think an endorsement for trailers should be and maybe it should be one for up to a certain weight and another for over a given weight.
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    09-01-2013, 01:02 PM
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Great, so now officers who know little to nothing about hauling horses get a green light to pull people over and bully them when they may or may not be breaking very unclear regulations in the first place. I'm not against an endorsement or similar in principle, but this mucky confusing morass is not the way to go about it. Rules meant to be followed need to be clear enough to know what they actually mean in plain English.
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    09-01-2013, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Delfina    
Never seen a wrecked horse trailer?
Not personally on the side of the road, never said it did not happen.

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    09-01-2013, 01:07 PM
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Green Broke
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharpie    
Great, so now officers who know little to nothing about hauling horses get a green light to pull people over and bully them when they may or may not be breaking very unclear regulations in the first place. I'm not against an endorsement or similar in principle, but this mucky confusing morass is not the way to go about it. Rules meant to be followed need to be clear enough to know what they actually mean in plain English.
They do not need to know about horses they just need to know the law which is their job. Why would you assume they would be bullying them?I have never felt bullied when ever being pulled over.
     
    09-01-2013, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
They do not need to know about horses they just need to know the law which is their job. Why would you assume they would be bullying them?I have never felt bullied when ever being pulled over.
I agree, they need to know the law. Unfortunately IME, when it comes to any laws involving animals (abuse, contracts, transport, dangerous animals, possession, etc) all the officers I have dealt with (save dedicated ACOs) are sorely misinformed, and that is if they even know anything at all. Most the the time, again, just IME, they'll either pawn you off on someone else or bald-faced lie and hope you don't know any better to call them on it.

In this case, for many of us who would fall in that space between 10,000 and 26,000, when the determination on legal/not legal rests on if you are a 'commercial' operation or not, which even according to these articles is a complete matter of opinion and there are no standards, you're at the mercy of someone who likely has no idea what constitutes a 'commercial' horse operation might be to start with. Tell me that's not a mess waiting to happen.

Enforcing/knowing proper animal interstate transport requirements (coggins, brand inspections, etc) is already a joke. Aside from the officers who actually do it regularly at the state line check points, most officers know nothing about what the rules are, and again, I've run into a few who will try to 'make up' something and push it on you to cover their ignorance of the subject. The guys who do it regularly are good. But the state trooper who is bored and following me down the highway for 15 miles in the middle of no-where TX is NOT one of those. Maybe it's a regional thing, and I haven't seen it here in TN yet, but where I used to live it was a running joke- hooking up a trailer was like catnip, you were going to get pulled over for nothing anyway, so make sure all your paperwork was easily accessible every time.
     
    09-01-2013, 03:32 PM
  #9
Green Broke
How much more power should the government assume?

Why are people so quick to give away individual liberty?

We have enough laws and regulations without ever creating more.
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    09-01-2013, 04:17 PM
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Trained
Gunslinger, I am usually one of the last to ask for more regulation, but in this case, I do think that ignorance is the big problem and requiring more specific licensing requirements would at least ensure that people know they have to know more when driving a trailer. Doesn't mean they'll all instantly be good trailer haulers, but I do think it would help improve safety.
     

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